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Kz..... You need more hills!!<br>
Molasses..... Sounds like something close to the speedwalk gait..... Might be the solution<br>
..... and Ian Dearie(as in Blossom) give up the asphalt and come over to the dark side before it is too late <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
Kz & Chops..... I met an Irish climber yesterday that was part of Lincoln Halls assent party...... A little, smiling very focused sort of guy that had climbed all 7 .... Yikes , very impessive, I felt very humble.<br><br>
When I find some time I will write a little about today's snowshoe marathon... It was totally magical <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> I ran a respectable 7:30 ..... The winner was just under 5,<br>
and yes Roly it was just as tough as the last trip to Pittsfield....<br>
Just drove home..... Now have to go find my family..... Maybe a little skiing tomorrow..... Just kidding <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"><br><br>
the experiment continues
 
You got it.<br><br><a href="http://www.etonic.com/run/run_shoe_product.php?ID=men_kendari" target="_blank">http://www.etonic.com/run/run_shoe_p...ID=men_kendari</a><br><br>
Here is an interesting article on foot strike:<br><br><a href="http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/04/running-technique-footstrike.html" target="_blank">http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008...ootstrike.html</a><br><br>
This is what i am taking from it.<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;"><span style="color:#000000;">"If there is one thing you change in your running, don't focus on your footstrike, but rather on <b>WHERE your feet land relative to your body.</b> Because if you are over-reaching and throwing your foot out in front of you, that's a problem, but what happens when the rubber meets the road is less relevant!</span></span>"<br><br>
The gait is more of a modified pose or Chi method. Speedwalkers keep more of a straight leg while maintaining contact to the ground with a one foot. And the fancy hip work they do would put the hip out for good.<br><br>
Congrats on the Pittsfield snowshoe run.
 
Interesting stuff Roly, thanks. there is a bit of a disagreement with the last statement in your entry about where your foot strikes. You, more than anyone, will be able to understand that the drug cocktail I am on literally sucks the fat-pad off my bottom of both feet and the consequence of that is effectively tto feel the bones in my foot being "bruised" with every step. I was being serious about the memory foam comment. At the moment, it is bones directly against the ground with only the shoes in between.<img alt="sad2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad2.gif">
 
Wow, is it ever lovely out there, got out for my 6k cookie factory loop. Lots of folks out and here come the cyclists.<br><br>
Congrats on the race Grommit, when you have a minute share pics if you have.<br><br>
Roly - whatever works.. fingers crossed<br><br>
Anyone else out running this morning ? btw Reach where you hiding these days ? Ralf, still buried in work ?
 
Merc, The best option may be is to continue with the shoes that work best and just add memory foam inserts or heel inserts over your orthotics.<br><br><a href="http://www.ecplaza.net/tradeleads/seller/5026373/memory_foam_heel_cushions.html" target="_blank">http://www.ecplaza.net/tradeleads/se..._cushions.html</a><br><br>
Nice run there DF7,<br><br>
I got in another small run and felt OK.
 
Good news Roly! Stay conservative.<br><br>
I don't heed my own advice and now my calf is fugged. Apparently, some painful massage is in order.<br><br>
Anyone ever done cross-friction massage? When my calf is not so painful I'm going to hurt myself again, the therapeutic kind of hurt.
 
I believe that will hurt like H*** Kingsley. If you continue running, avoid speed & hills. I had that 2 summers ago and I had to give up 10K until last spring. Haven't been the same since. I am afraid to go fast!<img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif"><br><br>
Good idea Roly. That is sort of what I had in mind although the link was for heal pads. I need it for the forefoot. I'll check on Google.<img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
Slow and easy with the runs! baby steps.<img alt="icon_salut.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_salut.gif">
 
I think you are right Merc, I need to go back to slow, easy, flat miles. Damn.<br><br>
For baby strollers I suggest checking out Kijiji, Les PAC, craigslist, etc. for used strollers. If you really want a new one, go to <a href="http://www.bebeplus.ca/store/department/14/POUSSETTES/" target="_blank">BB+</a> on St-Hubert or <a href="http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_listing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302735239&currentPage=1&bmUID=1268081546784" target="_blank">MEC</a>.
 
Conservative it will be.<br><br>
Have you tried using a foam roller. I started using mine again twice a day and it's helping alot. It's better then physio and not quite as good as sex.<br><br>
Baby Steps! Hell I'm still trying to crawl.<br><br>
You can always go to the Pharmacy and pick up a memory foam pillow and cut off chunks as needed.<br><br>
Gromy hows the legs, you doing a Pittsfield shuffle.
 
Another nice running day where I ran along the waterfront -on the grass about 75% of the time - from 6th ave. Lachine to the border of Pointe Claire. Again, no foot pain but persistent numbness. I'm still working on cutting down on the length of the stride and increasing turnover but it's hard to undue years of running in 10K's so I often find myself reverting back to that stride without even thinking. If I try Boston doing that, my foot will fall off!<img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
Gro.... a marathon in snowshoes? Some of those times are spectacular!<img alt="notworthy.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/notworthy.gif">
 
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<span style="font-family:'Century Gothic';">jeez its been forever since anybody wrote a race report...So here we go . .. I just got back from two insanely dull days at a tradeshow in Toronto. A large, enclosed space, no windows, a stronger than faint waft of fried food in the air and all the usual suspect out in full force. The problem was that I knew just how beautiful the weather outside had been for the past few days .. . made worse by the lingering buzz from a wonderful weekend at a superb event.<br><br>
I resisted inviting anybody down with me, dropped the dog off at the kennel and headed for Pittsfield on friday afternoon, a 3,5 hour drive, loud tunes, window slightly down.... and sunglasses. I always love this part of the event, the anticipation.... etc etc. I get excited like a 9 year old, its great. The drive down was uneventful, border crossing was swift and before I knew it I was at the <a href="http://www.originalgeneralstore.com/restaurant/menu/" target="_blank">Pittsfield Village store</a> handing over my $60 registration, which got me a very nice coolmax shirt, an Ibex beanie(yet another <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> ) and the number 608... chatted with the volunteers and then decided to figure out where to sleep. As luck would have it there was a spare cot in the barn at Amee farm hwich was mine for a modest $20.... the barn was so cool, and there were about 10 other competitors sharing this space . . .. as some were Death Racers... they didn't get to see their beds until late the following afternoon<br>
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so I dumped my snowshoes and gear and went down to where the maniac death racers were signing their wavers and generally looking pretty nervous. This was the first winter death race and the folks from the Discovery Channel were there to Discover just how deranged some people can be .... Got chatting with an Irish (hard core everest) climber and truly felt humble in front somebody who has climbed the highest peak on each of the 7 continents.. very humble in fact. Then I gate crashed the pre race pep talk for the death racers given by a British psychologist in a chicken coup with a rooster going berzerk in the background.... very drole. Their race started at 10 pm . . .. . and they were basically tortured throughout the night and the following day until there was 3 left standing, the 2 female entrants both weighing less than 120lbs and a geezer in his 40's . .. . . all of the hard core super studs dropped out!! beaten!!<br>
so .. . . . back to my race. I climbed under my blanket and listened to my neighbours (half-marathoners) giggle and drink wine until about midnight, I got to sleep around 1 am and slept well until the death race people were given a blast of "eye of the tiger" at about 4am ... and so I was awake, laid there a while and realised I was starving . .. . as the sun was coming up I found a couple of slices of bread, some honey and a teabag.... not much to start a long day but it hit the spot...... chatted with some other racers, drank some more tea.... and before long I was strapping on my little snowshoes and toeing the line.<br>
8 am sharp we all went bounding off towards the mountain under a perfect blue sky at a crisp sort of snowshoe pace . . .. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> the first mile of the course was more or less flat and had been churned up a bit by some tractor or something but even then the surface was good, we crossed a liitle bridge and started winding our way up the side of the mountain on the most gorgeous trails. The racers sort of spread out into a leader (maniacs) group and everybody else sort of picking their own pace. Me I sort of kept them in sight for about 15 minutes and didn't see them again until the first couple of runner lapped me on my last lap....<br>
The course itself consisted of what I figured out to 3 steep climbs and a series of never ending switchbacks which eventually brought you two the top of whatever mountain it was.... giving a view which i will not try to describe... breathtaking!! and here was the aid station. To get to the top on the first loop took me about 45 mins, I was feeling really good and the legs were in great shape. The only glitch was the straps on my snowshoes which kept riding up and then cutting into my ankle . .. I stopped about 6 times all told to fiddle with it and it was only at the end that I got it to stay in place. No real damage done, a little time lost and a little blister but nothing to spoil my day. So . . . . . the downhill. I love running downhill and I now love running on snowshoes downhill too . .. . I simply ley gravity take me and away i go <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> Can you imagine a beautiful sunny day careening down the mountainside like a 9 year old? smile from ear to ear . .. . sublime!! passed a few more cautious runners on the way down . . .. and then lost the trail for about 10 minutes . . oops, never mind.<br>
I finished the first loop in about 1:40 grabbed a PBJ sandwich or three and away I went for the second loop.... maybe a little slower, didn't get lost . .. . peeled off one layer as it was warming up a little as the sun climbed up the sky. At some point it occurred to me I swear I must've been grinning like an idiot the whole way.... finished loop 2 just a little slower although I did pick up the pace when I was passed by a nice young lady who seemed very fresh, she was just about to finish her half . . . I think I was slower anyway, but I wasn't really looking at my watch much. Loop 3 the climb was starting to feel a bit more like work, but no real discomfort, maybe a little sweatier but I didn't take off another layer as is was sort of cooler as I zigzagged my way through the woods on the way down.... must confess I could feel my quads at this point. so loop 3 was prolly about 2 hours.... and by then I was getting seriously hungry. More PBJ, fanta, chocolate chip cookies, chips and out i went for the last loop. On the way up, in the flat part between the first 2 climbs I was passed by two young military guys who were tere for the 100 mile race, 16 loops (FFS!!) they were at loop 10 and they passed me!!.... I passed them at the top and smiled a little whaen I saw the way they were gingerly tackling the down . . .. I could hear their quads screaming, but they didn't seem in bad shape at all. The 100 mile version had a 36 hour time limit I wonder if they made the cut off. Did I mention that I managed to lap some slower runners too which made me feel a little better about being lapped by the leaders... but it's that type of event, participants of all level....<br>
Anyway, as I was coming down for the last time I was still running, feeling pretty strong still.... but ready for a hot shower and some real food. My ipod had died an hour previously as had my garmin (do they make one which last a "long" distance race? mine's good for about 6 hours at best) ...... so I did a little sprint towards the finish... quite proud of myself, my time/number was noted .. . . but everybody was watching the last two Death racers doing a tie breaker for the winner. Stephanie the cute blond v's 220lb hard core dude . . . holding the plank position nose to nose, first one to drop looses, with heavy backpacks... and of course the cute blond wins. She held ithere for about 5 minutes, having been dragged through frozen rivers, walking barefoot in her underwear through the snow, carrying 5 gallon buckets of water, pushing wheelbarrows up the mountain full of the fire wood that she had spent the night cutting..... for the second time I felt very humble.<br>
So . .. my finish time was 7:30... not too shabby 16th overall I think. But I have to say that this was one of the most enjoyable events yet, nearly as "nice" as the <a href="http://vermont50.com/" target="_blank">vermont 50</a> for which Merc and I will be signing up soon <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"><br>
I didn't stay for the presentation by the Ice climbers . . . . . I got me that hot shower and headed back to the store where I broke my new years resolution with a huge homemade burger with a slab of Vermont cheddar, fries, mountain dew . . . . about a gazzilion calories for sure <img alt="banana.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/banana.gif"><br>
I then drove back to the rest of the Grommit crew in Ste Agathe/St faustin who had been skiing all day..... I fell into bed at about 11pm still wearing that grin <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
i won't try to convince anybody to do this race . . .. but if you're curious in any way you really should try something different, if nothing else it will keep yur running fresh...<br><br>
my apologies for the typos</span><br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">and of course the experiment continues <img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif"></span>
 
Nice Grommit, thanks for sharing, some of it sounds insane but hey whatever floats these peoples boat... <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> talk about doinig something different and again congrats.
 
Sweet Gro....sweet. How far were the loops? Yeah, I like the downhills too. Gravity wins every time!<img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
Gotta get a run in today.....gastro or not. Boston is getting closer and a decision will have to be made soon.<img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif">
 
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<span style="font-family:'Century Gothic';">6,65..... or thereabouts, not an exact science.... <img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
here's something not to do . .. . . well, on Tuesday I declared my old corpse good to go and set about doing my little routine of crunches etc . . . . it seems that a long day of snowshoeing will soften up your lower back muscles quite significantly . .. . ouch!! my back hurts, am I being a sissy Roly? off to the gym tonight.... a gentle run & some sauna. Bike comes off the wall on Saturday and I'll start getting serious for the <a href="http://www.ultimatexc.com/jay-challenge_en.html" target="_blank">Tremblant weekend bag of hurt</a> <img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif"></span>
 
Another successful venture into the unknown as I ran from Lachine (8th & St. Joseph) to the old stone house on the Verdun border & back. It took 45 minutes each way with numbness in the foot and only a slight burn of the right foot. HR in the low 160's as the experiment with the shuffle stride - faster leg turnover, continues.<img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif">
 
Gromit: Congrats on the Snowshoe Marathon!! Wow.. It sounds pretty fun, but I was tired enough after a 10k of it. I am glad you had a great day, and thanks for sharing with us.<br><br>
I am looking forward to getting out this weeknd for some nice hills, the mountain, or something like that.<br><br>
Have fun,<br>
Truxx<br><br>
It sounds like everyone is running well..
 
Nice Gro and yes your a Sissy.<img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
SS better heal up fast I have a Ironman race for you.<br><br>
Double Deca Tri (they give you a very generous timeline of 28 days to complete.)<br><br><a href="http://www.meetup.com/expaTRIesTriathlon/calendar/12629709/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/expaTRIesTriat...ndar/12629709/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.multisport.com.mx/deca/double2010/" target="_blank">http://www.multisport.com.mx/deca/double2010/</a><br><br>
Merc did you get those memory foam pillows for your shoes.
 
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