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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>breger1</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70426/50-plus-october-running-racing-and-rejuvenation/75#post_1955563"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Yes, Spareribs registered in time.  I think he still PO'd at FO for not finishing with him at TCM.</p>
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<p>Bill</p>
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Thanks, Bill.  I just figured he was on the road again.  4 M for me today.  On the TM, but I couldn't get reliable HR readings so I bailed on the tempo run.  I guess now that I'm finished racing for a while, I can relax a bit on the speed work.</p>
 
<p>That's right. I am mad at FO for stalking me at TCM and not running with me.</p>
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<p>Yes, I got in on time, but I almost put it off until the next day, figuring the site would be busy and it would take weeks to fill up. Then I saw a post on RA by pfriese about using this other link to get right in and I tried it and presto I was in!  So I was the Fortunate One.  Since my goal is to run with my BIL, Joe of the Streak from CA, I immediately called him when I heard Boston was closed and he told me he was in too.  So I am all set.  Sending in my reservation confirmation for my hotel today too.</p>
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<p>2.2 today on the dirt, nice and easy and now that is 4 days in a row of no discomfort in the knee, so I will keep it like this for the week and then next week resume training.  Spareribs</p>
 
<p>Often when you read about others' daily workouts and all the precision of distances, goal times and actual times it seems like way too much reliance on the precision of the numbers.  I'm almost as guilty as most. Here is a passage from Lydiard I thought you would enjoy:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">"Before the 1974 Commonwealth games, Lydiard was training Richard Tayler, and gave him a heavy load of anaerobic work.  They were working at a college campus and one day a group of students stopped to watch Tayler run.  Here is Lydiard’s recollection from the book “Running with Lydiard.”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“What’s he doing?”  One asked.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“Repetitions,” I explained.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">They knew all about those.  “How many is he going to do?”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“I don’t know.”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“What times is he running?”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“I’m not timing him.”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">They exchanged looks of disbelief.  Was I supposed to be coaching one of New Zealand’s best runners?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Then I asked them, “How far around is this track anyway?”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">They knew then that I didn’t know what I was talking about.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">When Dick finished and joined us, they asked him, “How many did you do?”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“I didn’t count them,” Dick said.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“What times were you running?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">“I didn’t time them.”</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">I decided it was time to explain to these boys, before they ran off laughing, that times and numbers were unimportant.  What mattered was the effect on Tayler of what he was doing; and he knew better than I did what he wanted to do and when he had had enough.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Anaerobic training is something we have to do if we intend to race well but, at the same time, we must always keep in mind that if we overdo it we lose our most essential asset, the very thing we have been building, our good condition, which determines your performance level.  So all the time you are building your capacity to exercise anaerobically, jealously guard your good condition or the whole purpose of the program is defeated."   Spareribs</span></span></p>
 
<p>I will keep that in mind next time I do anaerobic training!</p>
<p>Good to hear the knee is getting better, Ribs.</p>
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<p>Ran about 8 miles today, 72 minutes exactly! Didn`t look at my Garmin until afterwards though.</p>
 
<p>Morning all.  Ribs must have passed on that niggly knee thingy to me.  </p>
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<p>7.4 moh this morning.</p>
 
<p>From time to time we see people post their track workouts at some blazing speed faster than their fiveK pace, while I was always coached to do more volume of work but at a bit slower than fiveK, say 15-20 seconds per mile.  In discussing this with other runners I often hear, "How can you expect to better your fiveK times if you do intervals at a slower pace?"</p>
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<p>Here is another Lydiard quote, specifically on this subject, that I thought you would enjoy:</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">"Now when we are going to train the athlete, and train him to develop the anaerobic capacity to maximum, we have to understand exactly what we are trying to do.  To bring about the low pH level of the arterial blood, we have to do a lot of (volume of) anaerobic training.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">So if I put an athlete out on the track and say, “I want you to go around that track five times, and every 100 meters I want you to sprint 50 meters as hard as you can,” every 100-meters, he sprints full-out 50 meters; sprint, float, sprint, float.  So in 400 meters he sprints 4 times; around the track 5 times, he sprints 20 times.  The athlete will probably be out there for about 8 or 9 minutes.  By then his legs will be getting very very tired and start to get neuromuscular breakdown; muscles no longer contract. Now if we bring that athlete in, and took the blood from the leg muscles, and took the blood from the ear lobe for arterial blood, we are getting two different readings.  We are going to get a very low pH reading in the leg muscles, but it’s not going to be very low in the arterial blood.  Just like; if I get down and do 50 push-ups, after 50 push-ups my arms get tired.  I’m not tired doing it, but muscles no longer contract.  So if we are going to get an effective reaction, we have to do longer training.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">So if I said to the same athlete, I want you to go out and run 800 meters several times, like six times, run one, jog one, run one, jog one; he’s running at a lower anaerobic effort, but he’s incurring an oxygen debt, which in turn will create lactic acid and start to lower the pH level of blood, but his legs won’t be getting so tired quickly, muscles won’t be getting so tired generally; because you are getting recovery, because you are not trying at such a fast effort and you are getting longer recovery coming back.  So if that athlete runs down six times 800 meters fast and six slow, he’d be out there for a half an hour or more.  If we bring him in then, and take the blood from the ear lobe, we will find we got lower pH level of the blood which is what we are trying to achieve.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">So if we are going to do anaerobic training, we have to do a big volume of it to be effective, and it can’t be very very fast; can’t be at the top speed with all those short intervals.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">So through trial and error, we found that if we did hard anaerobic training three days a week for a period of three-and-a-half to four weeks, we’d develop our anaerobic capacity to exercise to near maximum."  Spareribs</span></span></span></p>
 
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<p>Well, Mr. Ribs, I was born to be a mediocre sprinter, but became a mediocre distance runner and won 40 to 50 races by</p>
<p>basically constantly "overtraining" and running the intervals at faster than required pace.</p>
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<p>Thursday</p>
<p>Run 7 miles, basketball shoot 2 hours and fullcourt 1.5 hours</p>
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<p>Friday</p>
<p>Run 7 miles, walk 6 miles</p>
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<p>Saturday</p>
<p>4 mile warmup,</p>
<p>6 times 200 meters hammer with 60 seconds rest</p>
<p>4 times 200 meters hammer with 90 seconds rest</p>
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<p>Yes Fred. And to think how much faster you would have been had you only trained right!</p>
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<p>4 miles with a much faster training buddy and felt okay, first two at 8:15's then asked her to give me a break!  Spareribs</p>
 
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<p>Sunday - Run 7 walk 6</p>
<p>Monday - Run 7, walk 7 , shoot bball 2 hours, weights 30 minutes</p>
<p>Tuesday - Run 6 mile warmup, 3 times 500 meters hard with 1 minute recovery, 1 mile w. down, walk x</p>
 
<p>Slugs were passing me on my 4 mile run this morning.</p>
 
<p>Quick recoveries to the injured!</p>
<p>About 6.5 miles today, kicking up leaves and splashing through puddles. Easy pace and enjoyable-rained steadily for the whole hour, which I quite enjoyed along with the puzzled looks from people in passing cars.</p>
<p>It`s just rain!</p>
 
<p>Morning all.  Simon that run sounds like fun (if it's not too cold of rain)</p>
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<p>10 moh.  Seems like the first real workout I've had in a month.</p>
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<p>Suppose to have a cold front by Thurs or Fri this week.   Lows in the upper 40's.   People will be freezing down here.  <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif"></p>
 
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Simon</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70426/50-plus-october-running-racing-and-rejuvenation/100#post_1957473"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Quick recoveries to the injured!</p>
<p>About 6.5 miles today, kicking up leaves and splashing through puddles. Easy pace and enjoyable-rained steadily for the whole hour, which I quite enjoyed along with the puzzled looks from people in passing cars.</p>
<p>It`s just rain!</p>
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I like your attitude, Simon.  As they point out on <a href="http://www.marathontalk.com/archive/2010/9/29/episode-38-bruce-fordyce-part-one.html" target="_blank">my favorite marathoning podcast</a>, skin is waterproof.</p>
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<p>I found out today that I can run 4 M on the TM without socks.  I don't know if my shoes will recover, but I did fine.</p>
 
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