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#21 ·
This year more than others I think the VP choice is very important to a lot of people. For McCain a lot of the core Republicans are leery of him. I tend to think a Mitt Romney makes him much more viable than say Huckabee.<br><br>
Obama's choice for VP will be strongly looked at also. It has to be someone that Clinton supporters feel will have their values.<br><br>
Obama does have a pretty good selection team being led by Caroline Kennedy so I'm guardedly optimistic Obama will choose a viable VP candidate even if it's not Hillary. But he does have to bear in mind the psyche of Clinton supporters if he expects to win.<br><br>
IMHO without Clinton he loses all the Southern states, which makes his quest a little more difficult to achieve.
 
#22 ·
Well they're guessing as I am. No one can know how votes will go. We can look at polls, but even thats just an estimation. Save your breath for your Oklahoma relatives. This is a red state and that won't change anytime soon no matter who runs. Its pretty sad.
 
#24 ·
Those people are democrats. Do you think they'll stay 'home' if she's not the vp? THey'll vote for Obama as the democratic nominee. This doesn't make her unique - it makes her 2nd place in the race for the nomination. It just means she has a democratic base. But that doesn't make her uniquely qualified to be his VP.<br><br>
I don't discount her draw as a candidate; but I don't believe this makes her a good vp choice. Those Hilary supporters will support Obama with or without Hilary as the VP
 
#25 ·
You're telling me - in this statement - that 'universal health care' -as Hilary sees it (which was soundly defeated in Clintons first term as president btw) -is not accepted as a litmus test for Obamas VP Candidate, you'll stay home and by doing so - you'll 'teach' the rest of america by "Letting the country further slide down that slippery rope of oblivion"?<br><br>
I don't believe you. No offense; but I don't believe someone who is THIS big of a democratic supporter will 'stay home' because of this. As a republican - I HOPE you're right however - cause either way we win.<br><br>
If Hilary gets on the ticket, then it's a guaranteed "Lose" for the democrats. She'll bring her supporters - who will vote 'democratic' anyway - while alienating those who voted for obama as a vote AGAINST Hilary (and there are plenty I'm sure).. PLUS her ability to fire up moderate Republicans to turn out in DROVES will shut down any chance of Obama or a democratic victory. AND if she ISN'T on the ticket, then Hilary supporters like you will stay home. Sounds like the democratic party is ready to divide and conquer - but they party they'll conquer is their own.
 
#26 ·
He hasn't LOST those 'millions' because she didn't get the nomination - they're DEMOCRATS! They'll vote for their party regardless who they nominate. Democrats are much more 'party' loyal than Republicans. Whoever the democrats crown - the party will follow.
 
#27 ·
The republicans are gleefully planning the ads if Hilary is VP.<br><br>
"Barack Obama said he was going to bring change to Washington...(cut to Bill Clinton wagging his finger a the camera 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman')...cut to the ugliest picture of Hillary they can find...Is this the change we want for America?"<br><br>
I think Hillary is very important to this campaign, but I don't think VP is the spot.
 
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#28 ·
Hillary was defeated on her original universal health care reforms due to the insurance companies lies and their panicking the American people into thinking they would lose all their "choices" under her plan which was not true. The U.S. insurance agencies have shown time and time again they are only there for healthy Americans. The rest are dumped by them into the Public and VA hospitals. There is no doubt in my mind she learned to get her objectives across better. If the insurance companies want to be part of the solution they can. If not, then yes, the government will step in.<br><br>
As for Hillary's supporters I don't think you have been paying attention to the exit polls to the number(s) of Hillary supporters that say they would not vote for Obama if she is not on the ticket. And the same has been true of the exit concerning Obama if he is not on the ticket. Combined I think they are unbeatable.<br><br>
For states like Georgia, the number of Hillary and Obama supporters if they are on the same ticket is probably enough to overcome the normal white male Republicans that rule the state. With her off, enough supporters have threatened to switch we could be a Republican state once more in November.<br><br>
Will I stay home? As long as Obama doesn't choose someone that I would not want as President in an unlikely event, probably not. But if he does not improve his health care package I would have to give serious thoughts about voting for him.<br><br>
As for my support for universal health care it has been the driving force for me several years now. It's been a slow uphill climb but Hillary offers the best chance for all Americans to have access to health care. From my standpoint, all Americans should have the same health benefits as members of Congress. That would resolve access in a big hurry.<br><br>
In my case I work in the pharmaceutical industry and have always had excellent health benefits. I don't have to worry if I need to go to a doctor, hospital or pharmacy. There are millions of Americans not so fortunate. I've always had great qualms about the way we treat insured vs non-insured persons. It's a moral issue with me.
 
#29 ·
Right now, I'd vote for Obama simply based on the prospect of change. Adding Hillary to the ticket will lock my vote for McCain. It actually would make it a much easier decision for me if Hillary were his choice for VP.<br><br>
I voted for Obama in the primary.
 
#30 ·
Same here. I'm not opposed to Obama - yet. His VP choice will do one of several things for me.<br>
1. Cause me to not vote at all - McCain doesn't excite me as a Candidate<br>
2. Cause me to vote for Obama<br>
3. Force me to Vote against Obama by voting for McCain<br><br>
Hilary as VP will make number 3 a certainty.
 
#31 ·
It would be a great time for Pelosi to launch that plan for gas prices she mentioned two years ago. Lets see, increase domestic drilling and refining or sue OPEC, what is a Democrat to do?<br><br>
Employment is at 94.5%. 96% is considered Full Employment.<br><br>
Government administered universal healthcare = shortages, delays and a bankrupt program. The waiting time in England and the decision process for who receives surgery are nothing I would want here.<br>
Congress can not be trusted with the revenues to fund it. Social Security was over funded for decades and is soon to be broke because the revenues were spent elsewhere.
 
#35 ·
I agree. I tend to think Republicans are more loyal, for lack of a better word, to the party. I think they're more unmoving and less flexible people in general whereas Democrats are a bit more dynamic. Although I see Democrats as a bit more fanatical and refusing to vote anything other than a liberal or nothing simply out of spite.
 
#36 ·
Nice try but no cigar for you. Job creation was the worst last month in 20 years according to the federal government. And you know as well as I do that 94.5% is a false and arbitrary number. Bush even changed the way unemployment is calculated in his first term to make those numbers more favorable. Nor does it count those Americans who have been out of work more than six months.<br><br>
Who could foresee two years ago that Bush and the Republicans would have so damaged the credibility of the U.S. both militarily and politically that we have no leverage in the world. We are going to have clean up an amazing mess after November. It won't be easy nor as fast as even I would like. But we will be moving in the correct position.<br><br>
Universal Health Care can be very effective. Our system doesn't have to be anything like Britain or even Canada's. I suspect insurance companies will come around and help fund universal health rather than become non-entities if they force the government's hand. However, Obama doesn't give me the same confidence as Hillary does to accomplish what we need for an effective health care system.<br><br>
As for Congress being trusted with Revenues, I agree within limits. But Republicans have been as bad if not worse than Democrats in spending. And the problem is Republicans have increased our deficits with this insane Iraq War it will be difficult to pull all our spending programs back into check.<br><br>
But bottom line. After a couple of years of Democrats controlling Congress and the White House after November we'll find a new spirit in this country and a very bright future for our health systems and economic well being. Will oil still be expensive? Probably. But more research will be going on in alternative renewable fuel sources rather than waisting efforts on finite resources and drilling in Anwar and off the Florida coast.
 
#37 ·
One can only imagine that if Hillary is selected at VP; D.C. will have to stock up on Cigars and put a dry cleaners on every corner!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Cool"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Cool">
 
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#40 ·
Now listen<br>
Not a dime, I cant pay my rent<br>
I can barely make it through the week<br>
Saturday night Id like to make my girl<br>
But right now I cant make ends meet<br><br>
Im always workin slavin every day<br>
Gotta get away from that same old same old<br>
I need a chance just to get away<br>
If you could hear me think this is what Id say<br><br><br>
Dont need nothin but a good time<br>
How can I resist<br>
Aint lookin for nothin but a good time<br>
And it dont get better than this
 
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