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dude... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sad"><br><br>
I miss some of those people. Some.
 
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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>ferrellk</strong> <a href="/forum/post/1834472"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Fair enough...</div>
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No Harm/ No Foul<br><br>
I apologize for not being more specific in my reference.
 
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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>satfix</strong> <a href="/forum/post/1834519"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">No Harm/ No Foul<br><br>
I apologize for not being more specific in my reference.</div>
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Sorry for assuming you were talking about the current incarnation.<br><br>
Though the old CH was weird, I guess I wasn't paying attention enough to see all the toxicness. I tend to have good filters when it comes to that, just ignoring what I don't like and paying attention to what I do.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Regarding "banning and moderation" :<br><br>
Here is my post earlier on in this thread - six people mentioned were the only ones at risk of being moderated - as I've stated in this thread.<br><br><br>
I also mentioned that if any member honestly would like to help us consider how to handle some of this stuff and really want's to contribute to the process - to send me a pm and we'll see about getting you involved in the process.<br><br>
We have tried self moderation and it apparently doesn't work. Somehow, the "spirit" of kickrunners has devolved in to the clubhouse. In fact, lately, the PRT is more like the clubhouse than the clubhouse was like the clubhouse at its WORSE.<br><br>
If you want the clubhouse atmosphere - please leave the site. I'd rather simply close the PRT completely and let the rest of the forums stay intact than have a place where it becomes full of mean spiritedness and junior high school antics.</div>
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Rich-<br>
at this point, i can only see this as an empty threat. what went down in the past, divided people that were a part of it, made some posters feel left out, and made some posters feel queasy enough to leave. When it was going down, people should have been banned. Their behavior is now not even borderline and measures are being taken? It doesn't make sense.<br><br>
Now you are threatening closing the PRT??? do it--or don't. You either forget what these 6 have done and give a clean slate, or you don't. You can't moderate them for doing things that are lesser than the rest of us. In a way, it's not fair to anyone, to those that played fair all along, you are giving those 6 more importance than the other 100s that never needed attention. imho.
 
Of course if Rich could explain in detail who the Kick Six are and what they have done it would help the rest of know what is and isn't appropriate behavior.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"><br><br>
Come on bud, spill it!
 
I only know of three.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Rich-<br>
at this point, i can only see this as an empty threat. what went down in the past, divided people that were a part of it, made some posters feel left out, and made some posters feel queasy enough to leave. When it was going down, people should have been banned. Their behavior is now not even borderline and measures are being taken? It doesn't make sense.<br><br>
Now you are threatening closing the PRT??? do it--or don't. You either forget what these 6 have done and give a clean slate, or you don't. You can't moderate them for doing things that are lesser than the rest of us. In a way, it's not fair to anyone, to those that played fair all along, you are giving those 6 more importance than the other 100s that never needed attention. imho.</div>
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I'm not threatening to close the PRT - I guess it sounds that way.<br><br>
You are correct - I let a few people dictate the feel and timbre of the PRT - I took my own advise too seriously and tried to allow self moderation to work - it did not. The rest of the mods even tried to intervene earlier and I held them back. I mistakenly thought the bickering between the two camps would die out and things would get back to normal.<br><br>
We all know every site will have it's drama - like stated earlier - it 'ebbs and flows' as is the nature of the format.<br><br>
I take 100% responsibility for allowing things to get to this point. Even my 'new rules' were an attempt to quell the actions of a few. To create 'rules' for the masses because I was not willing to deal with the few was wrong.<br><br>
I've asking now, for the 3rd time - if anyone here has a sincere interest in helping us set up a "Terms and Conditions" of kickrunners.com and would like to shape the direction of the site and how we handle future events (clearly our 'laid back' approach didn't work in the latest issues) - then, by all means - send me a pm.<br><br>
Until the site does figure out what those "terms and conditions" are - I'll do my best to trust the moderators here when they 'warn me' (and they DO!) that I'm 'screwing up'.<br><br>
It goes without saying, anyone here can drop me a pm anytime they would like to offer, 'insight', 'opinion', 'criticism' or whatever - hell, I had one from someone that pretty much tore me a new 'a-hole' and told me to quit acting like one! (and he was correct!).<br><br><br>
Thanks
 
I don't know. This isn't a democracy. There's no first amendement here. If someone says something nasty, I say that post gets deleted. No discussion. No appeals process. Consistent, across the board, immediate. No moderation or warning about behavior. The individual offending post gets deleted.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know. This isn't a democracy. There's no first amendement here. If someone says something nasty, I say that post gets deleted. No discussion. No appeals process. Consistent, across the board, immediate. No moderation or warning about behavior. The individual offending post gets deleted.</div>
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Some upholder of the Constitution you are. :p
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some upholder of the Constitution you are. :p</div>
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but I bet her children are amongst the best behave in the US of A.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Kick Six?<br><br>
"Free the Kick Six"<br><br>
I think we need t-shirts</div>
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Yes, I thought it was catchy. We can go to cafepress.com and make shirts. But first we need pictures of the six. Come on Rich, we're waiting...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, I thought it was catchy. We can go to cafepress.com and make shirts. But first we need pictures of the six. Come on Rich, we're waiting...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"></div>
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I'm gonna miss you when you're banned!
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know. This isn't a democracy. There's no first amendement here. If someone says something nasty, I say that post gets deleted. No discussion. No appeals process. Consistent, across the board, immediate. No moderation or warning about behavior. The individual offending post gets deleted.</div>
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Dude.<br><br>
If people thrive on attention then stop giving them attention (moderation, taking away avatars = attention).<br><br>
Not to mention that taking away avatars is lust lame, IMHO. I'm sorry, but it just is.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, I thought it was catchy. We can go to cafepress.com and make shirts. But first we need pictures of the six. Come on Rich, we're waiting...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"></div>
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Depending on the Six, I advocate naked pic's<br><br>
hey,<br><br>
"naked pics of the kick six"
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm gonna miss you when you're banned!</div>
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Rich loves me.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Depending on the Six, I advocate naked pic's<br><br>
hey,<br><br>
"naked pics of the kick six"</div>
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(post removed, because I wanted to compliment some on how this would look, and then decided I might leave someone out, and then I'd feel bad, and then there could also be a man which, I'm sorry, I'm not interested in...and you know well... so I'm not saying nothing)<br><br>
:whistling:
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Rich loves me.</div>
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I feel like someone else used to say that... who was it???<br><br><i>thinking... thinking</i><br><br>
Oh yeah, that's right! It was jenna! She'd never get banned.<br><br><br>
um... <i>oh</i><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 
For what its worth this place never got nearly as toxic as the old Cool Running Club House. That place was truly an example of what self moderation results in - meaness, dog piles, insults, racist comments, etc. Expecting people IVL to behave as they do IRL is not reasonable - the monitor and keyboard insulate us too much from the repercussions of our asshattery. I'm a prime example - I'd never say 1/2 the crappy shit I do if this was RL.<br><br>
We need clear simple rules and consistent enforcement.<br><br>
1. No racist or sexist comments.<br>
2. No personal attacks.<br>
3. No public posting of PM's or other messages with an expectation of privacy.<br><br>
Threads or posts that break the rules will be locked or deleted outright. Moderators will explain publicly why it was done.<br><br>
Members who break the rules will be banned after three offenses. Moderators set the length of the ban and determine if/when the member will be allowed back.
 
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