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Johnny and I talked about this a bit at the gym last night, but I'd also like some more opinions (not that Johnny's advice isn't good enough, just like to see what others think as well).<br><br>
I have my 2nd Half Marathon coming up on October 21st and this leaves me with just 5 more weekends to get in long runs. When I did my first HM in May, the longest i ran was one 11.5 mile run about 3 wks out from the HM.<br><br>
These are the Saturdays I have left to get in long runs: 15th (but it'll actually be tomorrow the 14th when I do the long run), 22nd, 29th, 6th, 13th and then the HM is the 21st. If it were you, what distance would you schedule each of our Saturday long runs to be to prep for the HM? I sort of have an idea in mind, but would like to hear your opinion . . . for those of you that have nothing better to do . . . or want a distraction from work . . . <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">
 

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Hi Tamalina!<br><br>
What's your current longest run at? I like to go 13 or 14 for my longest run for a 1/2 with the longest one 2 weeks before the race and then 8 miles 1 week before the race.<br><br>
Tenative plan not knowing where you are currently at . . .<br><br>
14th - 10/11<br>
22nd - 8<br>
29th - 12/13<br>
6th - 8<br>
13th - race
 

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Work is driving me to distraction.<br><br>
Tammy, here are the long runs I have done leading up to my last 3 half marathons:<br><br>
14, 16, 17, 12, race<br>
14, 10, 15, 16, 10, race<br>
14, 13, 15, 16, 10, race<br><br>
I like overdistance training. I also find it easy to add distance to my long runs, and I seem to recover quickly.<br><br>
The distance of my long runs doesn't change much leading up to short races. I have a 5K five weeks from now, and my plan calls for:<br><br>
15, 16, 14, 17, 12, race<br><br>
Let us know what you decide!
 

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I'd recommend at least one 15.<br><br>
7, 10, 8, 12, 8, race if you have no long runs<br><br>
12, 9, 14, 15, 9, race if you are ready for 12 tomorrow<br><br>
9, 12, 10, 14, 8, race if you are not ready for 12 tomorrow<br><br>
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although my July was a good running month for me, August was so sporadic due to lots of life stuff going on and I didn't get in much running (76 miles). The last long run I did was on 8/25 at 11.8 miles. The week of 8/27 my long run was 7.75, the week of 9/3 my long run was 6.2 (that was the 10K race I just did).<br><br>
Craig's advice is closest to what I sort of had penciled in to do. Here's my tentative schedule:<br><br>
14th (tomorrow): 11 miles<br>
22nd: 13 miles<br>
29th: 9 miles<br>
6th: 14 miles<br>
13th: 7 miles<br>
21st: race.<br><br>
Since I didn't do a training run that was at least the HM distance prior to my first HM, I felt myself a little unsure of what miles 11-13.1 would be like. And it's easy to psych yourself into or out of a race depending on your confidence level. I think I psyched myself out a bit towards the end. So this time I did want to do a long run of at least 14, perhaps 15 if I'm feeling good on that particular day, before this next HM. My goal is to obviously PR and if I can be in the 2:00-2:04 range (current PR is 2:11) I'll be pleased.
 

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I'm going to make a comment that may not be helpful in and of itself but that may help you weigh other people's opinions.<br><br>
Long runs of 16-18 and longer have a very different effect and purpose than ones up to 15. They train very different systems and your response is different.<br><br>
So if you get advice from a marathoner doing 20 mile or longer runs, take it with a grain of salt, especially on how many you need, how often, how close to the race, how fast to run. If I were you, I'd take advice from experienced half marathoners or 10K runners first.<br><br>
That said, I haven't raced anything less than 26.2 in years (I'm too old.) So I'll assume any advice from me would be useless.
 

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thanks for your input Hippo. I appreciate it and you have a good point (about the advice of a marathoner, versus that of a 10k'er or HM'er). I do need to take my increases in long run distances real gradual because of my history of ITBS. Each new long distance is a bit anxiety-provoking for me because even after one year, I still wonder "when will it flare up again???". And after a year of working hard to overcome it, the last thing I want to do is get overconfident and increase too much too soon and have a set back. My hope is to do a marathon in May 08, so I have all winter to gradually work up to that longer distance in prep for that. And I think shooting for a long run of 14 miles or so in prep for this HM will be a good confidence builder for this race, as well as a confidence builder for having the winter to work on adding another 10-12 miles to that in prep for a marathon.
 

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Tamster that looks like a good plan to me I am doing two half one on the 7th and one on the 21st and plan looks pretty much the same. I most definately agree with Hippo regarding the difeerential at 15. I am using the two halfs as an entry point for Marathon training and am saving my 15s and aboves for after.
 

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Hi Tammy!<br><br>
Yes, I'm still alive, and still not running...grrr! Anyway, the perspective of a non-marathon runner. I've ran four HMs (the last sub-1:30:00), and my training never had a run longer than 12 miles. But I did this distance two or three times before the race. I also did numerous 7 mile runs with the middle 5 miles at my goal HM pace. Those were tougher than the 12 mile runs, and for me anyway, the most effective runs of my HM training.
 

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There is a big change that happens at 17-20 miles for most people. It's a new world beyond that point: if you're training for a half there is no reason to train the stuff you'll use there. It's not useful in a half and is a distraction.<br><br>
Mostly, you're training for adaptations to your endocrine system to let you burn fat beyond your available glycogen stores. A lot of things go along with this, muscles get stiff and crampy in a way that's different from shorter distances. You also have to pay much closer attention to hydration, sodium, and chafing. All those problems seem to jump from minor annoyances to bigger problems somewhere in the high teens.<br><br>
In my experience there is no more profound change in running from 3 miles to 68 miles than this one. All the other changes are gradual evolutions.
 

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Yeah, when you have an avatar of a big ol' ass-kicking Duck, people <i>always</i> agree with you!
 

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Maybe not <i>always</i><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/love8.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love8">
 

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Where's a Peregrine Falcon when you need one?<br><br>
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Tamster I like your plan! Question now is pace work. I'm running the same 1/2 on the 7th as Road Hawk. Next three weeks I'll be working more at pushing pace in the latter part of medium distance runs up to goal pace.
 
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