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<div style="font-style:italic;">that clip looked forced. He looked very uncomfortable saying it, like it was highly suggested that he use it. His body language said he didn't like it, imho.</div>
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Then he should have followed his instincts. Obama comes across as a very decent guy, I'd be surprised if he doesn't apologize and this will be forgotten quickly. It seems like the Dems have plenty to use against Palin, I don't know why they would even come close to a personal attack. If I were advising Obama I would have had him pounding the point that Palin won't do an interview. That criticism goes away after she sits down with Gibson today, but they could have used it all weekend and all this week.
 

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I'm a Republican and I don't think Obama should apologize for the lipstick comment. He meant it innocently enough I think. That is an old saying about "putting lipstick on a pig". I'll give Obama a break on this one.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know, but it speaks to the Republican party members, too. And the phrase doesn't refer to Palin. Here's what McCain had to say about Hillary Clinton's health care plan last year:<br><br><i><a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obama_did_not_call_sarah_palin.php" target="_blank"><span style="color:#006699;">McCain</span></a> criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health-care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate <a href="http://www.anorak.co.uk/category/politicians/hillary-clinton" target="_blank"><span style="color:#006699;">Hillary Clinton’s</span></a> plan, he said it was “eerily reminiscent” of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the 1990s.</i><br><br><i><b>“I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” he said of her proposal.</b></i><br><br>
From <a href="http://www.anorak.co.uk/anorak-in-new-york/189657.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</div>
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Bumped for... well, you know who you are. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The reason we are going to see a lot of bizarre stuff about Palin that we don't on most VP candidates is simply no one knows anything about her. McCain's and Obama's life stories have been rehashed thoroughly in the news media the past 19 or so months that the Presidential race has been going on. Palin is the newcomer and since she isn't permitted to talk to the media without McCain's permission, which he appears reluctant to give at the moment journalists and others are having to find out about her past experiences from other sources.<br><br>
I would prefer to know the whole story about whether she supported the bridge to nowhere or not. What policies did she actually support as Governor of Alaska? Since she is not open to explanations to the media about her RNC teleprompter read statements, we have them going through other sources to assess her experience and thought processes.<br><br>
The media has already vetted McCain, Obama and Obama's VP choice. They are simply doing the same on McCain's choice on short notice.</div>
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You'll get your chance. She'll be on with Charlie Gibson this weekend I think. O'Reilly will grill her too. Like most of the accusations against her so far, there's more to it.<br><br>
Like the one about her wanting to ban certain books in the library..not true<br><br><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-09-Palin-book-ban_N.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...book-ban_N.htm</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm a Republican and I don't think Obama should apologize for the lipstick comment. He meant it innocently enough I think. That is an old saying about "putting lipstick on a pig". I'll give Obama a break on this one.<br><br>
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Same here. Give me a break. Same with his "my Muslim faith" comment. I think it was just a slip of the tongue. Don't make a big deal of it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm a Republican and I don't think Obama should apologize for the lipstick comment. He meant it innocently enough I think. That is an old saying about "putting lipstick on a pig". I'll give Obama a break on this one.<br><br>
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So you think Obama and his entire staff just didn't make the connection between Palin's lipstick joke and the pig reference? That's a stretch. So the choice is either they meant it and it qualifies as a personal jab at Palin, or they are clueless about context.<br><br>
I also think that it should have been Biden delivering this line. I think it's not helping Obama for him to be addressing Palin. If Biden had said this, it would have drawn the heat to him and injected him back into the spotlight. But that's just me thinking out loud.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So you think Obama and his entire staff just didn't make the connection between Palin's lipstick joke and the pig reference? That's a stretch. So the choice is either they meant it and it qualifies as a personal jab at Palin, or they are clueless about context.<br><br>
I also think that it should have been Biden delivering this line. I think it's not helping Obama for him to be addressing Palin. If Biden had said this, it would have drawn the heat to him and injected him back into the spotlight. But that's just me thinking out loud.</div>
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well, I think they "did" make the connection, I think it was suggested he use it because he doesn't "need" to take it back, because the republicans sort of started it. I just think that Obama looked uncomfortable saying it because it isn't his thing. You're probably right, Biden could have made the comment more easily....is that a good or bad trait? I don't know. I just don't think an apology is warranted. Like "I've always been proud to be an American" wasn't a personal jab........from you're perspective that needed to come from Cindy. I just don't think that is Cindy's style, just like it looks like it isn't Obama's style to make this comment. I look at this as a good trait.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">well, I think they "did" make the connection, I think it was suggested he use it because he doesn't "need" to take it back, because the republicans sort of started it. I just think that Obama looked uncomfortable saying it because it isn't his thing. You're probably right, Biden could have made the comment more easily....is that a good or bad trait? I don't know. I just don't think an apology is warranted. Like "I've always been proud to be an American" wasn't a personal jab........from you're perspective that needed to come from Cindy. I just don't think that is Cindy's style, just like it looks like it isn't Obama's style to make this comment. I look at this as a good trait.</div>
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Great points.
 

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Thread discipline people. This thread was about listening to former beauty queens when making your voting decisions.
 

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Former beauty pageant contestants are all I ever listen to...all the rest is just window-dressing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thread discipline people. This thread was about listening to former beauty queens when making your voting decisions.</div>
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I'm so sorry. I thought this thread was about listening to former beauty queens who became political pigs and which lipstick to wear when making our voting decisions. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">
 

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I think that if Palin is smart, and the McCain campaign is smart, they will stop with the response ads, have Sarah issue a big giant "WhatEVER" and move on to real issues. This is their chance to cast the Dems in a poor sportsman light, and their chance to show themselves rising above the playground b.s. The question is will they?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think that if Palin is smart, and the McCain campaign is smart, they will stop with the response ads, have Sarah issue a big giant "WhatEVER" and move on to real issues. This is their chance to cast the Dems in a poor sportsman light, and their chance to show themselves rising above the playground b.s. The question is will they?</div>
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Will they? No. This campaign isn't about issues any longer. Fox-runr did make a good point, but look at what we are down to talking about. Perceptions and personalities. The vast majority of people who are really concerned about issues have already made up their minds. The candidates positions on the issues are out there and have been for months. If you are undecided at this point, it's not issues that are holding you up.<br><br>
Now it's personalities, likability (sp?), eloquence. Who scares you more, who promises you more, who you'd like to have a beer with. The last people who decide are going to make up their minds based on feelings, not issues. The candidates know that and they are playing to that.<br><br>
In a way this is really the fun part of the campaign. It's when they really get goofy.
 

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In a way this is really the fun part of the campaign. It's when they really get goofy.</div>
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I think it's fun for the affiliated.<br><br>
I think the rest of the people couldn't possibly be more turned off by all this subterfuge, but that's just a guess based on how I feel. lol
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm a Republican and I don't think Obama should apologize for the lipstick comment. He meant it innocently enough I think. That is an old saying about "putting lipstick on a pig". I'll give Obama a break on this one.</div>
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Sheesh, for all the "toughness" these candidates claim to have, the "how dare they say that!" sensitivity that pretty much all political candidates display at this time is pretty insufferable. It's kinda' like seeing soccer players play up their injuries after the most minor of contacts with an opponent - makes the true affronts harder to discern
 
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