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<p>It is me again!  Early morning a-little-over 9mile run in cool mid-50's morning.  My hands were so cold - I should have wore gloves (in August?!).  1/3 in the middle was on a trail, the park was still closed and I didn't see on soul.  Legs were tired from two days of hill workouts but came to alive by the last two miles.  I noticed, three days in a row now, my stomach didn't feel right, like the inner liner being 'dry'.  I wonder I just simply need to drink a glass of water before heading out.  I don't eat/drink anything before an early morning workout, nor during (so far only 1.5hrs). </p>
<p>Swim later.  Try again for better breathing while a little harder effort. </p>
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<p>Good morning, TEAM LIT!</p>
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<p>Yoshi: Nice run this morning. And umm, I'm not sure how to tell you that you really should drink water before a workout, let alone a long one such as the last few days. Be smart. What if I said, "Hey folks, I did this crazy workout this morning that took 2 hours. Not sure why I stopped sweating or started slowing down. Doesn't make sense. I'm too fit for that. I didn't consume or drink anything before heading out. Just doesn't make sense." Not picking on you... just trying to state the obvious. Do yourself a favor. Take care of yourself. You need fluid. Whatever on the calories, although you probably should consume something, but your body needs at least fluid. That's how people suddenly drop dead, because states of dehydration with working hard have a way of placing more stress on the heart. So unless I read your words wrong, drink up, if even just bring a bottle along. See my workout below for what I do regarding water. And know that there is a noticeable dropoff in performance for each state of dehydration, even mild ones. Ask Jr about the real numbers.</p>
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<p>12 mile hill session early this glorious (finally no rain!) morning (starting with a big glass of water). Workout was essentially an out and back done twice while camping out on a hill on the "back" part of the out and back. Nice long gradual hill leading into the hill repeats, so in reality I got far more hill work than shows below:</p>
<p>o WU - ~25 min (two long hills) (dropped water bottle at top of hill to come back to later)</p>
<p>o 5 x Hill (2:07, 2:03, 2:08, 2:10, 2:16) - (gulped water after #2, #4, and #5)</p>
<p>o Tempo ~23 min (one long hill)</p>
<p>o 4 x Hill (2:13, 2:10, 2:11, 2:09) - (gulped water after #1, #3, #4)</p>
<p>o CD - ~5 min home</p>
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<p>Great day, Tri-peeps!</p>
 

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<p>Cold here too this morning!  Jumping into the outdoor pool when it is 12 deg C outside tests my fortitude.  Luckily the water was warmer.  Main set was an aerobic ladder of various things, 5x100 m down to 1x500.  It was my last day at the outdoor pool.  That must mean summer is over.  Boo hoo!  Packing for the cottage today.  Would love to squeeze in 30 minutes of intervals on the bike if I can.</p>
 

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<p>Thor - I guess my body wants liquid but I am a minimalist when it comes to a workout and tend to think if I can get away with no water/no calories, why not - kind of school of thought.  I do eat/drink right after a workout and, for less than 90min of workout (especially cool mornigns like these last few days) I see no ill-effects (i.e. stop sweating, HR creeping up, slowing down).  I know I should drink.  It is just one of those things that I haven't seen any netagive effects, and so, not making a conscious effort to change the way.  Having said that, though, there may be accumulative effects over time.  In short, I should drink more.  Thanks.       </p>
 

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<p>Yoshi - I tend to be a minimalist on the fluids/calories before a run also.  But if I'm thirsty or I have a few days where things don't feel right, then I'll drink before a run.  When things aren't working, try something different!</p>
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<p>Back on the dreadmill again this morning.  20  min WU @ 7:30 min/mi pace.  10 x 1 min @ 5:30 min/mi with 1 min recovery at 7:30 min/mi pace.  Then 20 min CD ranging between 7:30 min/mi and 7:00 min/mi pace.  Finished up with 20 min of foam roller and stretching work.  Achilles was a bit tight starting out but felt better after the run.</p>
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<p>I'm with the others on this one, Yosh...</p>
<p>Even when it's cool, you still sweat to some degree, that means you're losing fluids.</p>
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<p>I've finally wrapped my head around a better fluid intake rate for myself in the heat.....and I was (stupidly) shocked at how much better I felt when I nearly tripled the amount of fluids I was taking.  Turns out, I was subconsciously rationing my fluid based on what I could carry with me.  So, I got a different carrier, and things are  MUCH better.  Not nearly so frustrated.</p>
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<p>That being said, I do remember a while back, Thor saying something that's stuck with me.... fluid over fuel for the heat, fuel over fluid for the cold.  Especially on the bike, that's easy to do, but on runs it's a bit harder, unless you have a route where you can stash liquid.  I still take fuel on the run in the heat, just not as much...... and fluid in the cold, just mixed with fuel, so not so much extra. </p>
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<p>Drink.....even just to top yourself off at the start.</p>
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<p>6 miles for me today....crushing my previous time.  It's cooler again today.  I still think the cool temps are just a tease....we'll have another hot spell at some point before the real cool sets in.  But, for now, it's a nice relief.  And, a good confidence booster, too.</p>
 

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<p>I'm a minimalist before running, usually taking just a quick swig of water to wet my throat before heading out.  But I always carry water for runs of an hour or more, and if it's warm out (over 70F) I'll carry water for shorter runs than that.</p>
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<p>Time trial for me tonight.  I'm practicing my barfing now, just to be prepared.</p>
 

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<p>I couldn't make it 2 hours into my day without drinking something even if I was NOT working out.</p>
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<p>(I'm continuing my not-working-out-except-for-pilates-and-pt streak, so it's yet another rest day)</p>
 

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<p>Another vote for water before work out, drink during for long (>60min) run.</p>
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<p>PT early this morning.  Still dealing with the calf injury.  Just ultrasound and massage.  Stripping scar tissue and dealing iwth secondary imbalance.  Mmmm yah... fun stuff.</p>
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<p>Afterwards son1 and I headed out for an easy 60min spin.  So chilly that I wore arm warmers!  This is August, right?!  I seem to be recovering quite nicely.</p>
 

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<p>Bike commute day. First workout in a number of days, due to the fine weather round these parts (figures - a veritable deluge in some of the few days of summer that I  take off). Anyway - nice to have four days of rest - I guess.</p>
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<p>16.75 in (skipped a bit of our driveway to avoid mud puddles), 19.75 at lunch, and 10.8 home for 47+ on the day.</p>
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<p>It was sort of a "Top Gun" edition ... There's an air show at the nearby airbase in the next two days, so I had a single F-16 fly-over on my way in this morning, followed by a number of four F-16 formation fly-overs on by beach ride at lunch. Think it's the Blue Angels practicing....</p>
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<p>Pretty impressive display of aeronautical skill....</p>
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<p>Reg.</p>
 

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<p>1 hour ride at lunch...had problems with the computer, which stopped working at one point...so not sure of pace, but figure it was 17+...</p>
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<p>Yoshi - I have to agree with most others here, I drink/fuel for anything longer than 1 hour...especially in the heat...I didn't used to and like Stitcher I increased my intake per my coach's urging and things picked up.  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/cool.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;" title=""></p>
 

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<p>36 min OWS at Walden Pond, two loops of a ~0.5 mile loop so that I could practice exit-running on sand-reentry.</p>
<p>F-more or less immediately-B 1:15 on the bike.</p>
<p>Absolutely gorgeous day out there...making it more difficult than usual to be at work.  Plus, the undergrads are back. <br>
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It was sort of a "Top Gun" edition ... There's an air show at the nearby airbase in the next two days, so I had a single F-16 fly-over on my way in this morning, followed by a number of four F-16 formation fly-overs on by beach ride at lunch. Think it's the Blue Angels practicing....</div>
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<p>My cousin was gonna maybe be on the B-52 crew for that air show!<br>
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<p>My cousin was gonna maybe be on the B-52 crew for that air show!<br>
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Nice! It should be a great weekend for him/her (if s/he does it). I've never been - but should go one of these days. I don't think you ever get rid of that little boy wonder at huge flying machines, and I'm sure they must have vintage WWII fighters and Korea/Vietnam jets ... When I came back from my ride, co-workers were staring out the window trying to get a glimpse of the merriment. A couple of people who went out for a walk around the block said they saw one jet doing a roll so close to the ground, that they could look up into the cockpit and see the pilot ... It was a bit harder to track them from on the bike!</p>
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<p>Edit: Just to note - about 1/2 hour of work productivity lost as we watched them practice. Talk about impressive ...</p>
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<p>He said there was something screwy going on with the crew selection.  I haven't heard from him or his parents that he'll be there this weekend, so I'm assuming he won't be.</p>
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<p>I'd be totally distracted as well!  I find all so very cool and impressive!</p>
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Nice! It should be a great weekend for him/her (if s/he does it). I've never been - but should go one of these days. I don't think you ever get rid of that little boy wonder at huge flying machines, and I'm sure they must have vintage WWII fighters and Korea/Vietnam jets ... When I came back from my ride, co-workers were staring out the window trying to get a glimpse of the merriment. A couple of people who went out for a walk around the block said they saw one jet doing a roll so close to the ground, that they could look up into the cockpit and see the pilot ... It was a bit harder to track them from on the bike
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<p>Edit: Just to note - about 1/2 hour of work productivity lost as we watched them practice. Talk about impressive ...</p>
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<p>Reg.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Yo Sake</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/69711/workouts-thursday-aug-26#post_1938433"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Thor - I guess my body wants liquid but I am a minimalist when it comes to a workout and tend to think if I can get away with no water/no calories, why not - kind of school of thought.  I do eat/drink right after a workout and, for less than 90min of workout (especially cool mornigns like these last few days) I see no ill-effects (i.e. stop sweating, HR creeping up, slowing down).  I know I should drink.  It is just one of those things that I haven't seen any netagive effects, and so, not making a conscious effort to change the way.  Having said that, though, there may be accumulative effects over time.  In short, I should drink more.  Thanks.       </p>
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<p>3 mile ride w/ DS2 so maybe 30min?</p>
 

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<p>How does that plot out on the power profile?</p>
 
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