what's your opinion of anti-hunters

wanttorun100 · Mar 20, 2008

are they better roasted or pan-fried? 
It's a joke ewe pin heads

Martin · Mar 20, 2008

I like to set traps.

"Roberto" · Mar 20, 2008

Deep fried in tar!

Alternative School Grrl · Mar 20, 2008

Those who are vehemently anti-hunting should also be veggie or vegan, else they are just hippocrates at the grocery store. 
I eat meat. If I had to, in order to feed my family, I could hunt and eat what I kill. 
I prefer not to. But I could.

Arrojo · Mar 20, 2008

According the US Fish and Wildlife Service: More than 100 million animals are killed each year in the US. These numbers only represent the animals killed and claimed by licensed hunters. Here is the figure for 1989-1999 
Rabbit - 25 Million 
Squirrel - 22 Million 
White-Tailed Deer - 4 Million 
Mule Deer - 600 Thousand 
Wild Turkey - 350 Thousand 
Coyote - 250 Thousand 
Antelope - 115 Thousand 
Elk - 102 Thousand 
Black Bear - 21 Thousand 
Caribou - 21 Thousand 
Moose - 12 Thousand 
Javelina - 10 Thousand 
Bighorn Sheep - 2,400 
Mountain Lion - 1,500 
Mountain Goat - 1,200 
Brown Bear - 1,100 
Wolf - 1 Thousand 
Bison - 750 
Wolverine - 700 
Musk Ox - 90 
Mourning Dove - 50 Million 
Quail - 28 Million 
Pheasant - 20 Million 
Grouse - 6 Million 
Duck - 5.2 Million 
Goose - 1.3 Million 
Partridge - 1 Million 
So the fact that I eat an occasional burger makes me a hypocrite for opposing the killing of coyotes, wolverines, black bears, ox, wolves, sheep, moose and squirrels, etc. So be it. 
Enjoy your fried bear.

Alternative School Grrl · Mar 20, 2008

:shrug: 
Enjoy your starvation when the 'poxaclypse wipes out domesticated feed animals.

DEturtle · Mar 20, 2008

Hey there's no muskrat on your list... I grew up on 'Skrat... gotta cook it right.

wanttorun100 · Mar 20, 2008

don't forget nutria - industrial strength muskrat - muskrat isn't on this list probably because it's either considered a fur-bearer or a pest

wyrillco · Mar 20, 2008

Arrojo, real question here. 
Would you rather people support big meat industries? I've read enough to scare me about stuff like that, and you would think that hunting your own meat and eating it would be better for you and the environment than supporting the beef industry, for example. 
I heard somewhere (it seemed reputable at the time, but I can't remember. it was probably npr, that's all I listen to) that the methane put off by cattle in these big farms is the single biggest polluter of our environment.

jaektaylor · Mar 20, 2008

Yes, it does. You eat beef that is raised sholder deep in it's own feces and never sees the light of day, is pumped with anti-biotics and hormones. Wow - so much more humane than an animal living the life it was intended to live in the wild and being shot by a hunter. And what about all that poultry - with their beaks clipped off, being tube fed and basically raised more like plants than animals. Soooo much better than shooting a turkey in the wild. And people do eat Bear douchebag. I'll grant the other canine and feline preditors are probably not eaten, but everything else on your list ends up as food. 
I think we'd all have much more respect for animals and for what we eat if we had to do the deed ourselves. Maybe more of us would be vegetarians. I respect them at least because they live what they believe.

"Roberto" · Mar 20, 2008

I'm not vegetarian or vegan by any means. I admit that I enjoy a steak or burger once in a while from a big beef company. 
Though, nothing beats the meat from a local hunter. So much more flavor and knowing that it isn't pumped with antibiotics and hormones makes me feel better. 
(When I do eat red meat, my flatulence turns sulfuric and I need to consume pro-biotics to get rid of the stench that wakes me up in the middle of the night <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">)

wyrillco · Mar 20, 2008

Next time my dad offers to give me half a cow to put in the freezer, maybe I will. It's probably better than buying it at the store. He takes it to the local locker. 
That said, I don't eat much red meat. Like Mort, an occassional steak or good burger.

Complete Pete · Mar 20, 2008

I eat very little meat because of the meat industry. Basically a few months ago I tried goign vegetarian just to see what it was like and mostly stuck with it. I eat meat 1-2x per month. The main reason I stuck with it was not for health or moral reasons, but because of the mass meat industry. It's a pretty underhanded business. 
I would much rather eat something that I or a friend of mine killed than something that was raised in a meat factory. 
That being said, it's not possible for everyone to provide his own meat so I certainly find no fault in those that by mass produced meat.

Arrojo · Mar 20, 2008

Actually, the single biggest poullter of the environment would be auto emissions per the NRDC and Union of Concerned Scientsists. You mean global warming contributions, and yup, cows are a large part of that. 
But I digress. Why does it have to be either/or? Support mass murder of wolves, bears, etc or support mass slaughter of cows and large meat producing companies. Look, I despise fat (er fast) foods, and eat red meat, maybe 4-6 times a year. I could live without that. 
But I understand many people need their red meat. The real question for you pro-hunting types is why is it Ok to trap, maim and injure (with the hopes of killing) wild beasts like wolves, bear, etc that you have no intent to eat. FOR SPORT! How does eating a burger justify that?

wyrillco · Mar 20, 2008

I am pro-hunting, I guess. But I don't know anyone, ANYONE, who traps, maims, kills animals without the intent of eating them. But dad and brothers shoot birds and deer, and they eat it all. My FIL shoots antelope and elk, and he eats it all. I understand what you are saying, and I am not in support of killing animals for sport. If I had to kill my own food, I'd definitely be a vegetarian. But the folks I know who hunt, do eat what they kill. The only exception is coyotes. They shoot the coyotes because they get in with the cattle and kill the babies, get the animals scared, and they often get injured trying to get away. Hunting for food has nothing to do with eating a burger. I'm just saying it seems weird (to me) that you are so anti-hunting but ok with eating store bought meat. 
Are you against eating all animals, poultry included? I'm sure the conditions in which they are slaughtered are not pleasant either. 
You are correct, I did mean global warming, not just pollution. Sorry.

Complete Pete · Mar 20, 2008

Because they're just animals and make nice trophies. 
Food and sport hunting are two different things. If you don't agree with sport hunting, that's your right. It's your right to try and legislate against it or just be vocally against it or whatever. At the end of the day, trophy hunters have a vastly different view of what an animal is than you do, and that's their right as well.

maccabeth · Mar 20, 2008

Having the right and being right are two different things. In the end, animals are living creatures just like you and me. It's a felony (at least in GA) to kill cats/dogs (on purpose), but not other animals?! Huh??? <img alt="confused.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/confused.gif"> 
I agree with those saying that if we all had to hunt for our own meat, there'd be a lot more vegetarians. Not everyone, but still more. I think killing animals is always wrong. My opinion, of course, but still. No one needs meat to live. There's a whole continent of Indians who prove otherwise! (Yes, I know they're not all veggie there, but still a vast majority compared to other countries are veggie!)

wyrillco · Mar 20, 2008

The only reason I'm not a vegetarian is that I like meat. I don't eat it every meal, but I like it. 
All that said, I am getting more and more skeeved out by eating meat as I get older. But eating meat is so ingrained. My hubby would never go veggie, so it's not likely that I will either. 
I couldn't kill an animal unless it was to save my life or the life of another person. I just couldn't do it.

maccabeth · Mar 20, 2008

Yeah, I was like that, too. Start really reading about how the animals are killed and start thinking of it as dead animals instead of "steak" and "chops" and you will have a different perspective. I will never ever look at meat the same after what I've learned. No way will I go back to eating it, either. I don't have an SO at the moment and I'm not going to require him to be veggie, but he will have to realize that I will not be cooking it! Not sure I even want it in my house, to be honest.

Complete Pete · Mar 20, 2008

First off, in no way shape or form do I think that animals are living creatures just like you and me. There is a huge difference between my dog and my daughter. I cannot equate animals with people. Also, not all animals are created equal. The rats and cockroaches in an inner city appartment are not the same thing as the dogs that I own. 
Secondly, when you talk about right and wrong in a moral sense, you're giving your beliefs. Others believe differently. 
Again, we're all entitled to our opinion. You asked what could justify recreational killing of animals. For the folks who do that, when they see that rabbit/wolf/bear/whatever, they do not see the same thing you see. 
The right to disagree on this is every bit as important as freedom of religion (actually it touches on that very subject).

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