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<p>From yesterday--I'm water.  I think I'm water with some stabby thrown in, though.   <img alt=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif" title=":)"></p>
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<p>Not fun: I'm having a rough time at work lately--it's the usual student stuff, but this year I'm teaching a class and the behavior in my class is AWFUL.   (Like 8 year old boy stuff).  I have an imbalance this year--this class is almost entirely freshman male athletes (I'm not being biased here, I've taught many athletes before who were great-- it's just <em>this</em> group). They believe they are entitled, don't have to be there and have been openly contradictory and ridiculous in class.  Someone suggested I call the coach, but I think that's the wrong message. They need to respect ME, not just their male coaches.</p>
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<p><em>Every day</em> I have to deal with their ridiculous behavior.  I've kicked several out of class for repeatedly texting, and one student cheated on an exam. Yesterday, I had to have the lecture about respect so they would stop calling me...(get this)..."girl". </p>
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<p>Fun: got my TCM number.  I'm IN!!!</p>
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<p>YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
 

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<p>Wow, <strong>Crane</strong>.  It's amazing how little respect kids show these days.  I suppose this has been going on for a long time.  Our parents' generation probably thinks we're all a bunch of young punk whipper-snappers.  But geez, kids today are soooooooo self-centered.  This is one thing I'm scared about with my daughter.  She's not yet 3, so there should be plenty of time for me to try and instill some good values in her.  But if the rest of society around her is full of reality-TV, look-at-me, gimme-gimme-gimme people, how do I know that I can raise her right?</p>
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<p>I'm sure most of you parents out there have had the same worries about your kids, eh?  It's a selfish world we live in, huh?</p>
 

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<p>morning all I managed to get into work with out killing anything so it's a good start.  I have a 2 day training class that I'm totally looking forward to AND I get to meet up with my best buds tonight for SUSHI!!</p>
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<p>crane I think I would fail all of them and just be done with it. </p>
 

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<p><strong>Bob</strong> I worry about the same thing.  And <strong>Crane,</strong> that sounds very frustrating.  And rotten.</p>
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<p>Everyone slept in at my house so I had to run around like crazy to get us all ready and out the door on time.  I made it, but just barely. </p>
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<p>Watched Biggest Loser last night.  Looks like an interesting crew this year.  I find they're picking people with really sad back stories now, though.  It gets to be a bit much.</p>
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<p>So today is the last day of summer.  <strong>QOD: </strong> What is your favorite summer memory of 2010?  Mine is spending time in my pool.  We had such great weather, we got to use it a ton.  There were the mornings where I'd come back from my run and jump right in, running gear and all.  Nice quiet time to myself.  The days where we'd all hang out, splashing and laughing.  The days friends would come over for a dip and some bbq.  It'll be sad to cover it up for the season but I guess we'll be doing that soon.</p>
 

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<p><strong>Crane- </strong> Does your school have a Student Code of Conduct that lists expected behavior and possible consequences for failure to abide by the Code?  I know the cheating would be a violoation anywhere, but here, the other behaviors would potentially fall under the prohibition against "disorderly or disruptive conduct" or "failure to comply with university or civil authority".  A teacher in K-12 would have the option of speaking to parents or sending students to the principal/vice principal office.  I suppose with these students, the option is speaking to the coach (since that is the authority they recognize) or sending the student to your judicial affairs process if the offense is eggregious enough.  If the coaches at your school are supportive of the academics and willing to take the athletes to task, go ahead and call the students' bluff.  If the coaches are likely to blow it off, then take whatever is appropriate to judicial affairs.  If your syllabus does not include a statement explaining your expectations for classroom behavior, you might consider adding such to your syllabus in future quarters.</p>
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<p>In other news, it's the 1st day of fall quarter here.  There was triple the amount of traffic on the roads today as students and faculty head back to campus.  Ugh. </p>
 

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<p>Crane:  You definitely need to inform the coach.  Definitely.  Entitled athletes only fear the discipline that comes from the arena in which they participate.  Most likely the coaching staff will be appalled by their behavior and will address it.</p>
 

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<p> Jeez <strong>Crane</strong>, I do not know what to tell you - Can you kick them out of the class, or fail them?  I do not teach, and I do not deal with college-aged kids, so I really have no context from which to advise you.<br>
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 So, the cheating situation with my DD.  On a homework assignment, she and another classmate had the same exact answers for every question, even wrong answers and spelling mistakes. DD does not even know the other girl, except as an acquaintance.  The do share a study hall together, in addition to this science class.  FWIW, they had one quiz so far (last Thurs), DD scored a 97, the other girl a 70.  DD is still very upset. When I got home from work and mentioned the topic, she shot a dirty look I have never seen from her before.  My wife is in her school today (she works in the schools), and will talk with the teacher today.<br>
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 Side note:  DD can be overly dramatic.  I guess that is redundant considering she is a 13 YO girl.  When she got home last night, she baked a batch of cookies.  She said that if she did not make cookies she would have throw herself down the stairs.</p>
 

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<p>did the other girl get accused ot cheating too then or do they think the 97% student copied off of the 70% student and really if they think that they have to reassess.  I was a 70%-80% student because I'm dyslexic and no one knew it I totally envied my "smart" friends but I'd never cheat off of them. </p>
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<p>As for the cookie baking... I'm totally like that... just with out the throwing ones self down the stairs.  Some days the only way to make things better is to bake. <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Litchfield Hills</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70247/wednesday-fun-lack-of-creative-fun-thingee-9-22#post_1947494"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p> Jeez <strong>Crane</strong>, I do not know what to tell you - Can you kick them out of the class, or fail them?  I do not teach, and I do not deal with college-aged kids, so I really have no context from which to advise you.<br>
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 So, the cheating situation with my DD.  On a homework assignment, she and another classmate had the same exact answers for every question, even wrong answers and spelling mistakes. DD does not even know the other girl, except as an acquaintance.  The do share a study hall together, in addition to this science class.  FWIW, they had one quiz so far (last Thurs), DD scored a 97, the other girl a 70.  DD is still very upset. When I got home from work and mentioned the topic, she shot a dirty look I have never seen from her before.  My wife is in her school today (she works in the schools), and will talk with the teacher today.<br>
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 Side note:  DD can be overly dramatic.  I guess that is redundant considering she is a 13 YO girl.  When she got home last night, she baked a batch of cookies.  She said that if she did not make cookies she would have throw herself down the stairs.</p>
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<p><strong>Bob</strong> Dh and I were just talking about this entitled topic the other day.  We have a friend who just got their daughter an iBook for her 9th birthday.  The girl has more technology than what exists in my whole house in fact!  And while little man is still young, he marvel at the lack of "I want" and tantrums in stores when we don't buy him things.  We figure we set the bar early enough that we have a shot.  Ok, so we will be "those parents", the ones not endulging but we are ok with that!</p>
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<p><strong>Crane</strong> When I taught I always started off with some expectations I had from the class and it always involved me telling them I would do whatever it took to help them pass if they were giving it their best effort.  If not, I felt no personal responsibility for their failure.  One thing I had on my side was they were athletes who felt entitled, just lazy or rude kids.  And calling them out in front of the rest of the class usually embarassed them enough into better behavior.  Hope you can work it out, them failing is no big deal in my opinion, but disrespecting you certianly is!</p>
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<p><strong>Duck</strong> yipee on the new digs!!</p>
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<p>QOD:  Wow, this is a hard one.  We really had a great summer, lots of fun adventures, got to see Beaker Baby2 on u/s for the first time, got to see lots of my 30's friends.  I think overall I will just remember summer 2010 as being fun family and friend time!</p>
 

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<p>OY, as an educator the classroom management is a tough one.  It is usually tougher for women unless they are VERY assertive.  East semester I start out as Attila the Hun.  I explain everything about late assignments, classroom behavior, cheating, etc. as well as the consequences.  If you start out hardass then it is infinitely easier to lighten up though out the term as the conditions warrant.</p>
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<p><strong>Craney</strong>, it isn't too late.  Take a few minutes at the start of your next class and lay down the law.  This is acceptable classroom behavior, this is not, these are the consequences.  You  don't like it... there is the door, a "W" will appear on your transcript (or F depending).  If the athletes don't measure up, then tell the coaches.  I know that it sucks to have to give away a bit of that respect factor, but the trade off is a classroom where some actual learning will go on.</p>
 

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<p>I went to a VERY small school.  You would end up having some professors for multiple classes.  In my soph year, I had a professor for Engineering Mechanics that was the biggest PIA.  A complete hard ass, no flexibility regarding anything - 30 seconds late to class was late, if you interrupted class you were vilified.  Well, by the time I was a senior, and had had this professor for four or five classes, we became pretty close.  And he was completely different, laid back, if you had a conflict with class he was cool about it as long as you let him know, etc.  And we actually discussed why he was such a hard ass for Eng Mech.  He basically said that he knew he would be seeing a lot of those students in many classes and they needed to know that he was in charge.  He did not like being a hard ass, it was very much against his nature, but he felt that it was necessary for the student-professor relationship to star off that way.</p>
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<p>Side note:  Professor's name was Vito Guido, and he looked like the bigger guy from Laurel and Hardy. </p>
 

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<p>G'morning, folks.</p>
<p><br><strong>Cranie</strong> - I support what has been said above.  Have a little chat with the coach.  He'll probably be appalled.  Also, lay down the law in class.  That is YOUR house, damnit.  Also remind the kiddies that (most likely) no passie in class = no playie on field.  The students can get their ducks in a row, or lose something really important to them.  Time for a wake-up call, no doubt.</p>
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<p>I enjoyed <strong>BL</strong> last night, though the couch monster got me around the 9:30pm time frame.  Ahh well. I too, agree that they're really publishing the sap stories this year, but i guess that's what gives them high ratings and a longer-term viewer interest.</p>
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<p><strong>QoD</strong>;  Hrm.  2010 hasn't been very kind to me, but I would say that my best summer memory is from Sunday actually - beating the crap out of my HM time.  While I'm not there yet, I never figured my slow ass would even come close to a 2:15 time frame.  2:16:40 is close, and if my quads hadn't been hurting so badly, I know i could have broken 2:15 this time. I know it's possible in the future too, and that's a pretty nice feeling!  Rawr!</p>
 

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<p>I love it when Ailarie says "rawr".  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif" title=""></p>
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<p><strong>QOD- </strong> The visits with Joe, and not just the big trip to Oregon.  The quieter visits here in Ohio were very very good for us in their own way.  I also had a very nice but too-short visit with friends at a lakehouse on July 4 weekend.  I hope to stay the whole week next year.</p>
 

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<p>Crane - I ditto what has already been said.  Restate the rule for classroom expectations and then bust their asses when they don't comply.  Their coaches will be able to dish out a different set of consequences in addition to yours.</p>
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<p>boB - I hope Maggie is feeling better today.</p>
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<p>Litch - that's such a tough situation with your DD.  I would want to talk to the teacher as well.</p>
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<p>Speaking of school issues - I felt like a rotten parent the other day.  I had to call DS's principal on Monday afternoon.  Last year, there was a girl in his class who just tortured him.  He was a target for her outbursts and he would get sucked in every time.  She ruined his Science fair project, harassed him in the pool, yelled at him in the classroom - it felt like it was non-stop.  I worked with his teacher extensively and he became much better at not getting involved and letting their teacher handle her.  Fortunately, they were completely separated this year. </p>
<p>But Monday, she punched him in the hallway after school.  DS called me in tears because he shoved her away from him and she went backwards into the lockers.  He has NEVER put his hands on anyone before.  I called the principal b/c I wanted it dealt with as soon as possible - it was only the 10th day of school!  I told her that if he needed to be punished for his behavior, I had no problem with that, but she needed to handle this situation ASAP.  I just can't deal with this all year again.  Ugh.</p>
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<p>Crock pot cooking - I realized I have made the Russian chicken recipe (I think it was called Apricot chicken) before, but it was baked in the oven.  And don't fear the Apricot - it is delish!  Chicken can get funky in the crockpot - I've had better luck using bone in chicken and/or freezing it first.  Then it seems to stay nice and juicy.</p>
 

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<p><strong>Wippy</strong>, I like the way you think. It's so "take no prisoners". <img alt=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif" title=":)"></p>
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<p>Is Russian dressing only sold in Canada now?  I couldn't find it in my grocery store.  I remembered that it was a red type dressing so I picked up a bottle of Catalina - will that be the same?  I actually did the pork chops with cream of mushroom soup over them in the crock pot today! Dinner will be nearly ready when I get home - I'll just boil up some rice and steam up some veggies.  Yay!<br><br><strong>Biggest Loser</strong> - The thing I noticed is that they're not even waiting until the competition starts to try killing the contestants - they're doing it in the auditions! Geez. I always feel really inspired when I watch that show, not to work out, but to help others lose weight and exercise.  I just have no education or experience to support that kind of career though. I also feel inspired to eat ice cream.  The sappy stories were too much, I was fast forwarding through many of them after a while.  I figure we'll hear plenty more about them as the season progresses.  I swore I wasn't going to watch again, but my DVR was still set to record from last season so it recorded, and I watched. </p>
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<p><strong>QOD</strong>: Trying to come up with a favorite summer memory makes me realize how fast it went - it's all a blur and I'm having trouble coming up with a favorite memory.</p>
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 Side note:  DD can be overly dramatic.  I guess that is redundant considering she is a 13 YO girl.  When she got home last night, she baked a batch of cookies.  She said that if she did not make cookies she would have throw herself down the stairs.</p>
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<p>I know this is serious, but it made me laugh.  I got accused of cheating in junior high -  English and Reading were always easy for me, I got A's without really trying, and one day a girl passed me a note in Reading class asking for some answers - which the teacher intercepted.  And then in front of the entire class she said "So this is how you get such good grades, you cheat!" Which I most certainly did not.  So I asked to go to the Principal's office.  Her response, "You are just ASKING to go the Principal's office".  "Um, yes ma'am, that's what I just said."  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;" title=""> <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>NCRG71</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70247/wednesday-fun-lack-of-creative-fun-thingee-9-22#post_1947515"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Speaking of school issues - I felt like a rotten parent the other day.  I had to call DS's principal on Monday afternoon.  Last year, there was a girl in his class who just tortured him.  He was a target for her outbursts and he would get sucked in every time.  She ruined his Science fair project, harassed him in the pool, yelled at him in the classroom - it felt like it was non-stop.  I worked with his teacher extensively and he became much better at not getting involved and letting their teacher handle her.  Fortunately, they were completely separated this year. </p>
<p>But Monday, she punched him in the hallway after school.  DS called me in tears because he shoved her away from him and she went backwards into the lockers.  He has NEVER put his hands on anyone before.  I called the principal b/c I wanted it dealt with as soon as possible - it was only the 10th day of school!  I told her that if he needed to be punished for his behavior, I had no problem with that, but she needed to handle this situation ASAP.  I just can't deal with this all year again.  Ugh.</p>
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<p>Crock pot cooking - I realized I have made the Russian chicken recipe (I think it was called Apricot chicken) before, but it was baked in the oven.  And don't fear the Apricot - it is delish!  Chicken can get funky in the crockpot - I've had better luck using bone in chicken and/or freezing it first.  Then it seems to stay nice and juicy.</p>
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Why would you feel like a rotten parent?  I think you were being a GOOD parent!  And it's good that he's open and telling you about all this instead of keeping it inside. </p>
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<p>Fun: 11 Days til race day.</p>
<p>Not Fun: I get to call my ex tonight and tell him that he's not taking the kids race weekend.  We're sticking with the plans already in place.  I asked DD what SHE wanted to do, since the weekend at Dad's is for her birthday celebration and she said she'd rather go to Auntie Goon's house.  So there you have it.</p>
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<p>So much to say...and I have a meeting to get to:(</p>
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<p>((30s))   This being a grown up thing sux monkey ballz.</p>
 

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<p>From yesterday--I'm water.  I think I'm water with some stabby thrown in, though.   " class="bbcode_smiley" height="1" src="<a href="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif">http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif</a>" title="<img alt=":)" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif" title=":)">" width="1" /></p>
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<p>Not fun: I'm having a rough time at work lately--it's the usual student stuff, but this year I'm teaching a class and the behavior in my class is AWFUL.   (Like 8 year old boy stuff).  I have an imbalance this year--this class is almost entirely freshman male athletes (I'm not being biased here, I've taught many athletes before who were great-- it's just <em>this</em> group). They believe they are entitled, don't have to be there and have been openly contradictory and ridiculous in class.  Someone suggested I call the coach, but I think that's the wrong message. They need to respect ME, not just their male coaches.</p>
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<p><em>Every day</em> I have to deal with their ridiculous behavior.  I've kicked several out of class for repeatedly texting, and one student cheated on an exam. Yesterday, I had to have the lecture about respect so they would stop calling me...(get this)..."girl". </p>
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<p>Fun: got my TCM number.  I'm IN!!!</p>
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<p>YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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<p>I think the problem may be more the fact that they're <span style="text-decoration:underline;">freshman</span> athletes.  Coming out of high school where they were not only athletes but Seniors, big fish in the little pond - and I think it's from that they do end up with that false sense of importance.   They just need to be taken down a notch and realize that's not how it works here. I know you want them to respoect you for you and not feel like you're running to the Coach to tell on them, but really, you're working WITH the Coach to get things straightened out.  Consider it a team effort, a united front, you and the Coach getting the snot nosed kids to straighten up and fly right.  Unless the Coaches are douches.  Then you're on your own. <img alt=";)" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//wink.gif" title=";)"></p>
 

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<p><strong>BigG- </strong> I would have thought you'd have said camping with C.  Wasn't it your 1st time camping in a long while?  I know you enjoyed it anyway (though that could be due to the company you kept as much as for the tents and dirt and bugs and whatnot <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif" title="">). </p>
 

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<p>Wow!  So much to comment on, so little brain space.... </p>
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<p>(((Crane)))  I have no advice for you other than public humiliation.  If the student insists on texting during class, I would walk over, hold out my hand, and take the phone away.  He can retrieve it after class.  Same thing with students who are having side conversations.  Ask them to come up to the front and have their private conversation in front of everyone. </p>
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<p>(((NCRG))) You're a good mom.  Hopefully that girl can be disciplined. </p>
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<p>Good for you, Goon!!  Stick up for yourself! </p>
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<p>Wip rocks.</p>
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<p>Well, all of you do, actually.  The 30s so totally freaking rock.</p>
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<p>From yesterday: I'm fire.  No surprise there.</p>
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<p>QOD: My weeklong family vacation at the shore.  Bliss.  But yes, the summer went by WAY too fast.</p>
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<p>Not fun: I'm still sick.</p>
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<p>Fun: Hmmm, I'm having trouble thinking of anything fun.  Let's see.  Nothing much going on today.  Nope, nothing fun planned at all.  No fun for me.  Not. a. thing.</p>
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