Wednesday, April 6th - Workouts.

xflbk43 · Apr 6, 2011

2000 yd swim this morning with some hard 500 intervlas:
250 warm up - 3:52.31
30 second rest,
500 hard - 7:19.55
60 second rest,
500 hard - 7:20.82
60 second rest,
500 hard - 7:14.32
30 second rest,
250 cool down - 3:57.46
 
Great workouts to all!!

Thor · Apr 6, 2011

Good morning, TEAM LIT!
 
Re: "40 is old" & Alaska Mike's comments:
 
Firstly, I agree with Mike. He's spot on. But it may not be black and white here. Let me *try* to explain.
 
Age is somewhat relative, and really, it's just a number. If you feel old at whatever age you are, then that age is old. If age isn't something you ponder, then you're young. As it pertains to what we do here, age definitely plays a role. But it isn't just age. It is also how long you've been at it AND what kind of mileage (and punishment) you've subjected your body to. If you've spent the last 20 years racing at a high level, then sure there is no question that you'll be recovering more slowly, etc. But if you just started this monkey business five years ago, then age is probably relative here. And there are so many more variables to it. Take me, for example. I recover very quickly. But you all know that I've been at this for many years. I recover quickly, and maybe about the same as in my 20's, but it's only because in my 20's I was new to this. Now in my 40's, I've got a lot of base. I wasn't pumping out 5 or more marathons a year back then. Well, that's not entirely true. I was, but that was just the cap, and I was new to it. So of course I recover quickly. But again, that is explained away because of the years I've had. Still, some things do require far more time. Such as dead legs. When I over train, it takes me far longer to get back to fresh legs than it did in my 20's and even 30's. Or when I get injured. And I seem to get injured at a higher frequency. Recovery from injury seems to be longer. I say "seems" because, honestly, no two injuries are alike, so they are hard to compare. And the list goes on. Another thing is that I have to be far more diligent with stretching. In my 20's... no worries, just run. But age is relative. If you just started running in the last 5 years, and say you hadn't done much before that, you haven't been going long enough to even see a trend. Just my observations of myself and others. No factual evidence.
 
Me...
 
4 mile easy run early this morning.
 
Great day!

pcsronbo · Apr 6, 2011

Talking about punishing...
 
8 mile run @ 1:27 for me. Which is easily a PR for the distance for me. Smashed my 10k time by ~4min as well. And one of my all time top 5k's in there to book. Second fastest (displacing the very recent record.. actually). So it went like this... 2 miles @ z2: 12:48 and 12:38 and then 3 miles @ z3 10:44, 10:05, 10:54 then 3 miles @ z4 10:14, 9:57,10:17. And that included 2 stops to quick stretch (one in z3 and one in z4).
 
BTW anyone else's Garmin training center now only show ELAPSED time vs ACTUAL? I had a water refill break before z3 and it skewed the times, even though I know I had the pause turned on AND I saw the splits as I went. But they don't match what I see on the logs. Stupid program. Did not used to do that.
 
4000+ in the pool tonight @ masters.

Tri-Tammy · Apr 6, 2011

Supposed to swim this morning but I've been nauseated for the past 12 hrs so that didn't happen. Will try for my lunch run. If that doesn't happen, I may just go home and go back to bed.

AdCo · Apr 6, 2011

was "thinking" about running, but woke up with the chills again.. good news - all tests came back normal, bad news, must be just a virus.. 12 days

this ought to be interesting.

Yo Sake · Apr 6, 2011

Ron - you are some kicking serious rearends. Keep up the great work!
 
6.5mile on TM. I had no strong reason to be tough to run in 40F pouring rain against my comfort. Last cruise interval before Boston, a little shorter version, 2x1.5mile at 7:24min/m pace w/90sec recovery (.5% incline). Legs are getting bouncy, but knee is still making a little noise - I don't feel it at a faster pace but do at an easy pace. That is it today I think.

Alaska Mike · Apr 6, 2011

Thor - agree with most of what you said, but age isn't completely relative. I'm older now and whether I ponder it or not, whether I think happy thoughts or not, whatever ... it still impacts me. I do agree that attitude has a huge impact, but it can't completely mitigate the impacts of getting older. I wish it were so, but it ain't.
 
Ron - what version of TC are using? I'm on 3.5.3. and I don't have that issue. I did notice though that my TrainingPeaks Device Agent is once again recording elapsed time and not actual time though, I went into my Garmin and noticed that Smart data recording was turned on, which doesn't play nice with DA. Only problem is that with one-second recording instead of smart data recording, you can only get 3.5 hours of data recorded. Wish the guys at TP were smart enough to figure out how to use data correctly for smart recording.
 
Tammy - get better soon.
 
Adam - As long as you thought about running, that's all that is really required. It's as good as working out. You're golden.
 
Mike - My 500m 'hard' sets really end up being moderate, I just can't push myself hard for that long. Good job.
 
Easy 45 min run for me (45:14 according to my Garmin, 45:42 according to training peaks, stupid computers!). 6 miles. Conversational pace, though I wasn't actually talking to anyone because that would be weird on a treadmill by myself. Loving the taper!
 
Happy hump-day, peeps!
 
Mike

zojmn151 · Apr 6, 2011

3.7 miles early this am...negative split (with hills no less!) of ~15 seconds...I'll take it!

MBannon · Apr 6, 2011

3 mile lunchtime run in hail and very cold rain. And me without my nipple guards.
 
Possibly, hopefully, weights and swimming this evening.

cak73 · Apr 6, 2011

Adam... <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">
Tammy...hope you feel better soon!
Jackie... woo hoo on the negative split with hills!
 
 
3250y for me at masters swim this morning.
 
Am trying to be comfortable with my decision to run as little as possible between now and April 18 in order to give whatever is going on with my lower anterior tibialis region time to resolve itself. Sigh.

jenotter · Apr 6, 2011

Pushed the otters for 4 miles on a hilly paved path, then 1 mile solo while a friend kept an eye om them for me...FIB a 1.5 mile hike/stroll with the kids down the same path to see the baby ducks.

donskiman · Apr 6, 2011

1h 20m 16s - 8.41 miles - 09m 32s/Mi 
1:45 PM 
Equipment: Nike Pegasus 04/11 
Cool/mid 50s - Cloudy and strong winds. Crawford/Puckett/Security/Widefield to trail to Sountmoor/Carson to Fountail Creek trail, around Willow Ponds, return on trail to Widefield/Fontaine/Grinnell/Crawford/Upton/home. Easy pace run turned ugly as the wind wore me down. Had to walk a few times. Was tempted to cut the run short, but didn't. Stretching afterward.
 
 
40 isn't old. Wait until you're my age!

xflbk43 · Apr 6, 2011

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BTW anyone else's Garmin training center now only show ELAPSED time vs ACTUAL? I had a water refill break before z3 and it skewed the times, even though I know I had the pause turned on AND I saw the splits as I went. But they don't match what I see on the logs. Stupid program. Did not used to do that.
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Yep, mine is doing the same thing. I got stopped by a train on my last 2 runs at home and paused the watch, but it had me doing an 11+ min miles for those miles. Also, I noticed that it's showing every second rounded up/down and not tenths. Not really a big deal, but I liked it better before the latest "update." 

 

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Mike - My 500m 'hard' sets really end up being moderate, I just can't push myself hard for that long. Good job.
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Thanks, but uh, you can't push yourself for that long? I'd disagree. Anyone that can run the marathon times you do can to push themselves for that long...you just gotta decide to do it when you're swimming.

Alaska Mike · Apr 7, 2011

April 18 is 12 days from now. Even if you do absolutely nothing between now and the race you'll lose, at most, 5% of your fitness. That's nothing. If, however, you push yourself and further injure it, you may not make it to the starting line. Your approach is absolutely correct. Your number one goal, far and away, right now is to get to the starting line as healthy as possible. Be very comfortable with your decision, it is 100% the correct one. On this, there can be no debate. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by cak73 <a href="/forum/thread/73344/wednesday-april-6th-workouts#post_1992892"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a> Am trying to be comfortable with my decision to run as little as possible between now and April 18 in order to give whatever is going on with my lower anterior tibialis region time to resolve itself. Sigh.
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Okay, it would be more accurate to say I don't push myself on sets that long because I'm too afraid of dying midway (and drowning, in running there isn't any drowning, just the walk of shame).
 
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by xflbk43 <a href="/forum/thread/73344/wednesday-april-6th-workouts#post_1992907"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a> Thanks, but uh, you can't push yourself for that long? I'd disagree. Anyone that can run the marathon times you do can to push themselves for that long...you just gotta decide to do it when you're swimming.

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cak73 · Apr 7, 2011

Thanks, Mike. I need to hear this. Apparently, I need to hear it over and over again. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">
A young woman at masters swim (an IM triathlete & BQ-er) told me this:
"There is nothing you can do at this point to improve your marathon. There is something you can do to hurt it."
This *really* resonated with me.
It's just hard to let go of the "safety blanket" that is your training plan.
 
I can still get on the trainer and swim...these things were on the plan anyway.
 
I have a HIM on my birthday in June and I need to be healthy for that. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by Alaska Mike <a href="/forum/thread/73344/wednesday-april-6th-workouts#post_1992922"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a> April 18 is 12 days from now. Even if you do absolutely nothing between now and the race you'll lose, at most, 5% of your fitness. That's nothing. If, however, you push yourself and further injure it, you may not make it to the starting line. Your approach is absolutely correct. Your number one goal, far and away, right now is to get to the starting line as healthy as possible. Be very comfortable with your decision, it is 100% the correct one. On this, there can be no debate.
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hobey · Apr 7, 2011

Supposed to do a track workout but it seems that Wednesday is track meet day in our town. Planning to take it to the roads tomorrow during lunch so that I can watch the Michigan Frozen Four game after work...

Stitcher · Apr 7, 2011

Master's swimming - the long version ...
 
3700 meters
 
400 swim
300 kick
200 drill
100 swim
 
5 x 400 r:60
#1 for time
#2 paddles & buoy
#3 paddles only
#4 paddles and fins
#5 for time
 
5 x 100 w/ fins descend 1-5 r:20
I made it from 1:38 down to 1:20
I was happy with that, especailly on the last one, I was actually making wake. I got to "breathe in the pocket" and everything.

SpartyGirl · Apr 7, 2011

60min contemporary class last night - finally recovered from Sunday's monster 2 hour workout.

regiolanthe · Apr 7, 2011

First street hockey of the year. Won 2 games; lost 1. One nice shin bruise.
 
Reg / geo

pcsronbo · Apr 12, 2011

Mike P - using 3.5.3
pissing me off

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