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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I have been having problems with my back for almost a year now.(as of the beginning of February) Finally in June an MRI was done, and it was discovered that I have a diffuse bulge between L3 and L4, and bigger more prominent bulges between L4 and L5 and L5 and S1 (which is really the fused sacrum). These bulges are impinging on my sciatic nerve, which also causes pain, numbness and tingling down my leg to behind my knee, and occasionally down into the foot. This is all mostly contained to my right side, but as time has gone on, my left low back has become affected as well.</span></p>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I have undergone physical therapy at two different places over this year, including where I work, with no improvement. I undertook two different rounds of epidural cortisone injections, that were NOT remotely helpful, and the side effects were far worse than any benefit, so I opted out of the third. (You're generally allowed up to 3 per year.) I've gone for massages a few times, and chiropractic adjustments, with at most very temporary benefits.</div>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I've been managing the pain and inflammation for the most part with 800 mg ibuprofen which seems the most beneficial for me. Tylenol does nothing at all, and I have bad, bad side effects to anything with codeine. I still work and need to function, and my system can't seem to handle muscle relaxants, so I just deal. I have borrowed a TENS unit from a co-worker, and I wear that sometimes. It does provide a pleasant neuromuscular distraction from the pain, which is exactly what it's supposed to do.</div>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Yesterday at my appointment with my back doctor in Chelsea, we decided that the next step would be to have an EMG on 1/26 to pinpoint exactly how much of the nerve pathway is affected. This is going to be a prelude to a minimally invasive surgical laser procedure called microdisectomy. (think arthoscopy of the back) It is usually done on an outpatient basis, but if I have a lot of pain afterward, I will be kept overnight. This has not yet been scheduled, but I will let you know.</div>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Now, I am still running and biking though my pace has been slowed and my mileage has been kept down. For the first 10 weeks after this happened, I did not run at all, mainly because I could not. Literally. But as function returned I slowly (in all senses of the word) began my activities. again. My back doctor knows this, and yesterday we discussed it at length. He said in part:</div>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> "I am not going to tell you not to run for many reasons. This runs counter to the advice you might hear from other doctors, but I will tell you my thinking. First, I have reason to believe you'd probably ignore me anyway. ( :) ) Secondly, though the argument could be made that your running and biking probably exacerbated the problem, I think that you would have had some back problems anyway. First, from what you told me, your mother had a history of back spasms and problems when she was younger. There is a predisposition to back issues. Secondly your gait is almost tailor-made to give you back problems eventually. That you run and bike probably hastened that a bit. However, and this is my big thing, most of the patients that I see are 50-100 pounds overweight and lead a nearly sedentary lifestyle. Their outcome post surgically is sometimes not as good, because they won't adhere to any kind of long term, or sometimes even short term strengthening and stretching program. You are already very fit and very strong, with an amazing base of core "girdle" strength. This will make surgery much easier on the surgeon and on you. Furthermore your recovery will be enhanced and hastened by that strength in your core muscles, and I know that you will be motivated to adhere to your post surgical program, to get you back to being ready for competition. So I'm going to tell you keep running. Don't go out and run a marathon, Saturday, but keep running. Run three, seven, up to ten miles, if it doesn't increase the pain to a point you can't handle. Don't go over 10, and I'd say to keep it between three to seven miles per run. Don't try to increase your pace (I'd been telling him how every time I try to get back to my normal pace that I'm used to, it hurts more). He also said to keep up with my weight lifting and calesthenics, but to eliminate the jumping jacks and plyometric exercises I do, which I had already, for the most part done, but I won't do any of those from this point until I'm cleared to again.</div>
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<div style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">So if any of you have been wondering why you haven't seen race reports in the last year, that's why. I've only done maybe three races this past year because I cannot compete to the extent I'd like to compete. I still enjoy my running and riding, but racing, to me is not quite as fun now. </div>
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<p>Holy moly!</p>
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<p>That sucks royally.  I hope this works for you and you make a speedy recovery!</p>
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<p>This part made me giggle  "I am not going to tell you not to run for many reasons. This runs counter to the advice you might hear from other doctors, but I will tell you my thinking. First, I have reason to believe you'd probably ignore me anyway"</p>
 

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<p>Oh my Charlotte. That does suck royally but it sounds like you're in good hands with the back doc. His statements also made me giggle. Hang tough girl!</p>
 

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<p>I am so sorry to read this Charlotte.  <span><img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;">  Back pain is just horrible.  It really does effect everything, doesn't it?</span></p>
<p><span>Have you tried swimming?  I ask as a couple of years ago when I was having so many problems with my back, it was the one thing that actually gave me the feeling of being pain free. </span></p>
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<p><span><span>Your dr. sounds like a great person to have on your side. </span> It's good that he's honest with himself and you.  Hang tough Charlotte!!!</span></p>
 

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<p>Thank you for the words and encouragement. Yes, my doctor in Chelsea is very good.He is one of a group of four doctors in a clinic that deals specifically with back pain. I emailed a compliment to the staff, and the doctor last night, and one of the things I wrote was that he was very good at using humor. He's no clown, but he has a fine, dry wit, and always makes me laugh. During the time he was treating me yesterday, he had to take a phone call from another doctor, and he apologized, told me it would take about five minutes, and threw me my chart saying, "here, do a little leisure reading while I'm gone." Hee.</p>
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<p>Yes Tammy, it really does affect everything. Running, biking, work, sleep. Everything has been compromised in some way, to some degree. I have tried swimming actually. Part of my job is to monitor an aquatic wellness class on Tuesday and Thursday nights. My second round of therapy included water therapy too--but back to the class--I often get into the water with the class. Sometimes it seems to help for a little while, at least while I'm in the pool. But sadly, I've found more often than not, that it seems to increase the incidence of back spasms almost as soon as I'm done. I've been showering or dressing immediately afterward, and have gotten some of my worse spasms. I don't know why. It doesn't happen every single time, but enough that I don't get in too often. And yet, in my job, I see how much good that does for so many of our back patients. It's just been so frustrating.</p>
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<p>That's also part of the reason I've not posted here much. I depress myself when I think...oh, in pain again today. Today it's only a 4 on the 1-10 scale. Today it's an 8. Today it took me 59:58 to "run" 4 miles. I just feel too often like I'd be a Debbie downer, but then this morning, I thought about how much you guys can also help encourage, support and advise. So thank you.</p>
 

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<p>{{{Charlotte}}}  Bummer to hear about your back woes!  But, your doctor sounds awesome.  Doesn't matter how slow you think you're moving.  It does matter that you're still moving!  Speedy healing vibes to you!</p>
 

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<p>{{{Charlotte}}] - healing vibes your way!!!  Sounds like your doctor is a keeper! </p>
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<p>I agree, movement, no matter what, is key!!</p>
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<p>Good luck and let us know how it goes!</p>
 

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<p>Wow, sorry to hear about your situation.  It does sound promising though.  I will be praying for you and your dr's.</p>
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<p>I suffer from lower back problems as well, mine is between L4-L5 and L5-S1.  I don't have the shooting pain/numbness anymore but I do still have problems.</p>
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<p>Dave: How did you get rid of the tingling and numbness and shooting pain?</p>
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<p>Thanks Yoshiko, and everyone. I will definitely keep you updated.</p>
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<p>I had forgotten to mention earlier that part of the diagnosis also was DDD-Degenerative Disc Disease.</p>
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<p>The worst, as in most constant pain for me is right in the ischial tuberosity. Sitting for any length of time has gotten increasingly more difficult. Talk about a major pain in the ass! :\</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>CCRaces</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72130/upcoming-emg-and-pending-back-surgery#post_1977121"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Thanks Barb! Yes, he is definitely sane, and not overly impressed by the fact that he is a doctor. A wonderful quality in a medicine man.</p>
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<br><br><p>A wonderful and *rare* quality in a medicine man.  :)</p>
 

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<p>Wow, I really hope that you will be able to solve this issue with your doctors.  I'm amazed at how you've been able to keep up any training ... Hang in there, we're with you and crossing our fingers. </p>
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<p>Back issues suck!  I'm going through something very similar.  I have a bulging disc pressing on my L5 nerve root.  I don't have a lot of pain but have developed a foot drop (which makes it impossible to run)  I've had numerous MRI's and an EMG.  I'm waiting for my appointment for my L4-L5 decompression now.  Good luck, maybe we can compare notes! </p>
 
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