[GaReb770]

The UN, as well as President Obama is upset that Texas executed a Mexican National convicted in 1994 in a brutal rape and murder of a 16 year old Texas girl. There was no ambiguity in this case and the only problem I have with it is it he should have been executed about 10 years earlier for the crime. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/07/08/mexico.execution.un/index.html?hpt=hp_t2" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/07/08/mexico.execution.un/index.html?hpt=hp_t2</a>

 

[4boysmom]

<p>All I've read is that he was brought here as a toddler.  Was he here legally?  If the crime happened in 1994--which he admitted to committing--why did it take so long for him to raise the issue that he was a foreign national?  </p>

 

[jcumming]

<p>It's always good to execute a few dozen every year (out of about 10,000 convictions) just to show that "we mean business".</p>
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<p>It's an excellent deterrent to those of us who'd never murder anyone anyway.</p>

 

[Grizzly]

<p>Ayup. </p>
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<p>But let's see what would happen if some US citizen scumbag was denied consular access even if he were guilty of murder. </p>

 

[GaReb770]

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I have no qualms with an American (U.S.) citizen being executed by another country if an American citizen rapes and murders a citizen of another country.  Whether or not they allow them access to the U.S. Consular services is totally immaterial to me.  If they did the crime, let the punishment be what the laws of that country permit.<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/74490/un-high-commissioner-for-human-rights-criticizes-texas-execution#post_2006185"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Ayup. </p>
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<p>But let's see what would happen if some US citizen scumbag was denied consular access even if he were guilty of murder. </p>
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[GaReb770]

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It's not a deterrent only because of the manner in which we enforce the death penalty.  When a murderer is able to live out a normal life for 15 to 25 years plus after committing their crime, the deterrent effect is definitely lost, not to mention the insanely high cost of keeping a death row inmate alive for all those years while unscrupulous (sp?) attorneys make their filing filing appeal after appeal.  There is a reason no attorneys can enter  the pearly gates.  <span id="user_yui_3_3_0_8_131017303054515"><img alt="wink.gif" id="user_yui_3_3_0_8_131017303054514" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jcumming</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/74490/un-high-commissioner-for-human-rights-criticizes-texas-execution#post_2006178"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>It's always good to execute a few dozen every year (out of about 10,000 convictions) just to show that "we mean business".</p>
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<p>It's an excellent deterrent to those of us who'd never murder anyone anyway.</p>
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[GaReb770]

<p>He never indicated he was an illegal immigrant  during his trial and did not bring up the fact he was a Mexican National until two years  after his conviction.  He was permitted Mexican consular visits several times over the course of his incarceration after requesting it.    The technicality is that as a Mexican National he should have been told he could speak to Mexican consular officials prior to his trial.  Totally immaterial argument IMHO as there was no ambiguity that he committed the crime and he admitted to it. <br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>4boysmom</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/74490/un-high-commissioner-for-human-rights-criticizes-texas-execution#post_2006174"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>All I've read is that he was brought here as a toddler.  Was he here legally?  If the crime happened in 1994--which he admitted to committing--why did it take so long for him to raise the issue that he was a foreign national?  </p>
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