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<p>Speaking of Grad school...</p>
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<p>I'm taking a programming class this semester.  I'm no programming genious or anything, but I have to take it to get my degree so I am struggling through it. </p>
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<p>Anyway...there is only TWO of us in this class.  And the professor encourages us to work together to help figure out problems, etc...</p>
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<p>So, start of the semester I send this girl a nice e-mail telling her who I was, and wondering if she wanted to work together, and whatnot.</p>
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<p>No Reply.</p>
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<p>Until the weekend the first assignment is due, she then e-mailed me for help.  I was glad to give it to her, because it's a hard class and I can use someone to work with.  However, no reciprocation of any kind went on.</p>
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<p>Then, this past weekend, I get this e-mail from her:</p>
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<div> did you take the prereq class for this ASP course?  I did not take it and I am so lost I could almost cry.  I have not turned in any of the assignments and I am trying to work on them today.  I just got the book ASP for dummies and it still is not making any sense.  I know that this is not a help to you but I was wondering if you could send me an example the assignments you have completed.  (I have been looking at your factorial assignment, I am still confused but at least I have an example to go off of).  I would like to offer you a gift card, cause I know I have not helped you in anyway! I just don't want to retake this course again. <br>
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Thank you for any help you can give.</div>
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<p>I was working on assignment Five when she sent this...so she's five weeks behind.</p>
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<p>I send her a very nice e-mail back, saying that:  yes, I did take the prereq course.  And I explained to her how I really needed that class to do this one.  And that this class was very difficult for me.  And I sent her a few web links to look at the assignments I have completed this Semester, and the ones I did in the prereq course.</p>
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<p>She's obviously not prepared for this course, so I told her to ask the prof for an incomplete until she could take the pre-req course, because she really needs it.</p>
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<p>This was her reply:</p>
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<div> Yeah I would just like to get it over with even if i get a D.  I just have 2 other classes left and I am done.<br>
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Thanks for your help.</div>
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<p>I'm done communicating with her.  Life's too short. </p>
 

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The thing is though, it's not group work. </p>
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<p>I'm not a fan of "this group works together to accomplish this" either.</p>
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<p>However, he said we are more than welcome to work together to figure out his assignments.</p>
<p>It's programming, and it's hard.  If you write the program wrong, it won't work.</p>
<p>Sometimes another set of eyes is all you need.</p>
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<p>So this girl, basically does not communicate unless she needs something.</p>
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<p>And then, when I tell her something she doesn't want to hear, she sends a pouty e-mail back.<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Buxtehude</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72749/twit#post_1985346"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I hate groupwork.</p>
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<p> Have you already submitted those assignments for review/grade?  If not, keep those emails between you just in case the question of academic misconduct ever comes up.</p>
 

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<p>  In engineering curriculums there is usually both a keystone class and a critical path toward your degree. The critical path is the sequence of courses that defines the minimum time required to get the degree because each course in the path is a pre-requisite for the next course. The keystone class is the usually the first course in this critical path; more generally, it is the course that forms the pre-requisite for every other course in the department.</p>
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<p>  I frequently had some of the students I advised try to talk me into letting them jump past a pre-requisite into a follow-up class. The most common scenario had the student failing the keystone class in our department. Since we generally offered our courses only once a year, this automatically put them a year behind in their graduation plans. (This was a fall, sophomore year class, and the critical path it started was a full three-year path.) One student, despite failing half of her courses that term - including the keystone course, wanted me to approve a schedule that not only had her jumping into the next course in the critical path but also had her taking 22 credit hours. She had some sort of government sponsorship that required her to pass so many semester-hours each year, and she needed to load up like this to have a chance.</p>
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<p>  Needless to say, I was not about to sign off on that plan.</p>
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<p>  I was also surprised at how many students didn't understand that just taking a course was not enough to get your degree. If it was a required course, you also had to pass it. Some students didn't get that part.</p>
 

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<p>There are all levels of maturity in students.  This girl seems to think she's smarter than the average bear.  Some students think they can leap tall buildings in a single bound!  Several years ago #1 son was in 3rd year of a tough engineering program, but he thought he was smart enough to handle a couple of extra undergrad classes in math and physics.  He wanted them in order to set himself up for post grad in physics, which he is now pursuing with a passion, but back to my story....  About three weeks into the year he realized that he was not able to manage his class load in his customary manner.  But rather than back off, he decided to tough it out, and although his average dipped for that semester he managed to juggle everything and get through all his courses.  But I think he realized that he tested his limits and found them.  He never did it again!</p>
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<p>I always tried to find groups to work with when I went to school.  I found it impossible to keep up with assignments and labs if I didn't find someone to share the load. </p>
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<p>Come on, Coachie. Why aren't you a team player?</p>
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<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>coachie</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72749/twit#post_1985509"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>asp.... server side programming.</p>
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<p>It's hard.  At least for me.  But I've spent the last 15 years in the gym.</p>
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<br><br><p>HP should really have asked you, is it ASP, or ASP.NET.</p>
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<p>It's not really that hard, but it's hard to get used to.  Because you need to learn both VB (or javascript, or C#, or some other language) *AND* HTML at the same time.  And CSS, if you'd doing it right.</p>
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<p>Once you figure it out, it's not that bad at all. No worse than regular programming.</p>
 

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The pre-req class the girl was talking about...was writing javascript.</p>
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<p>And yes, I know you can say that...but for me... PE Jock...programming is tough.</p>
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<p>Basically I think they want us to have "some" programming knowledge.<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tech Tee</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72749/twit#post_1985528"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><br><br><p>HP should really have asked you, is it ASP, or ASP.NET.</p>
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<p>It's not really that hard, but it's hard to get used to.  Because you need to learn both VB (or javascript, or C#, or some other language) *AND* HTML at the same time.  And CSS, if you'd doing it right.</p>
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<p>Once you figure it out, it's not that bad at all. No worse than regular programming.</p>
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<p>I didn't know ASP was still around. I thought it was replaced by .NET.</p>
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<p>Hmmm...</p>
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<p>Anyways- Are you enjoying the course? What's the DB they're teaching? SQL Server or Access or both?</p>
 

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<p>Well, asp.NET is mentioned, but the writing we are actually doing is in asp.</p>
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<p>We are using both, I think.  The database is written in Access, and then we access it through SQL.</p>
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<p>Am I enjoying the class?  Tough question.</p>
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<p>I do not enjoy programming, as I am not a programmer, have no experience in it, and is about as far out of my comfort zone as you could be. </p>
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<p>Like I said earlier, I've been in the gym the last 15 years!</p>
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<p>However, I do enjoy it when I get a program functioning correctly, and it does what I want it to do.</p>
<p>(Yes, I have gotten up from the computer with both arms raised, and ran a lap or two around the house.  This has happened).</p>
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<p>And, I am learning a ton.  I know far more about this than I ever have before, or would have for that matter.</p>
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<p>Now, will I ever need to know it?  probably not.  But I guess if it helps me start to think a bit more like an IT guy, that's a good thing.</p>
 

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<p>Now, will I ever need to know it?  probably not.  But I guess if it helps me start to think a bit more like an IT guy, that's a good thing.</p>
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<br><br><p>If you're ever asked about designing a system or a website, you'll at least need to know something about ASP and ASP.NET.  At least functionally.  And knowing how to program them, can only help.</p>
 
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