Tuesday 10-19-2010

Pink · Oct 19, 2010

Good Morning Kicksters!
 
7.1 beautiful miles this morning.
 
Congrats Maniac Bill!
 
I can't believe how quick Boston filled up. Just a few years back when I did it, registration was nothing like that!
 
Have a wonderful day!

breger1 · Oct 19, 2010

Fortunately my friend Mark listened to me and signed up for Boston in time yesterday. He's a busy Surgeon too. He may have had to leave the operating room for 5 minutes to register or something. <img alt="Wink" src="http://www.runningahead.com/images/forum/emo_smile_wink.gif" style="">
 
3 slow, recovery miles at 10:10 pace. Legs feel good, if a little tired.
 
DW spent 10 days in N. Michigan trying to get our place "up and running" so to speak. She and DD2 and family ran themselves ragged doing whatever they could in the time they had. Of course, that is not enough time so we're not going to be able to take the first Rental inquiry we got last evening. <img alt="Sad" src="http://www.runningahead.com/images/forum/emo_sad.gif" style=""> Our plan is to have everything ready to go by Christmas or so.
 
Bill - Marathon Maniac # 2923

Hemerocallus · Oct 19, 2010

Morning, Pink!
Morning, Maniacal Byll!!
 
I've emerged from 4 days of slugdom to get in back-to-back Monday night/Tuesday morning spin classes. Threw in a bit of core work after this morning's session, just 'cause.
 
This self-imposed not-running thing is driving me up the wall, but my knee seems all the much better for it. I'll break the "fast" after this weekend's Bruce Trail Hike with the Blister Sisters and get a massage to get everything set for diving back in.
 
Have a fabulous day everybody!!

evanflein · Oct 19, 2010

'Morning, Pink, Byll and Heme! Greetings to all who follow! I usually don't get to say stuff like that. Heh.
 
Amazing how Boston filled up so fast. DH said he looked at the entries and only one person from Alaska made it in. I can't believe that, or that the entry list is final (they're still verifying qualifying times, aren't they?), but being out on the far west coast, I'm sure the numbers will be low. Just incredible. It'll be interesting to hear the discussion of "what to do" about Boston going forward. I'm sure there'll be lots of talk...
 
I'll be trotting on the treadmill after work today. Got snow yesterday and more today. I hope to run outside later this week.
 
Hey Byll, congrats on the MM status! I'm impressed with the ever increasing numbers. Wow, almost 3,000...

CNYrunner · Oct 19, 2010

Good Morning all---at least for a few more minutes here and then time for lunch. 
 
31 degrees here at 5:15 am when I met up with Tri-Guy friend for a run----thought fire hydrants and mailboxes were crouching bears and ready-to-pounce coyotes. Goodness my vision stinks! Dark out there! 8.3 miles at 7:42 pace. Tri-guy wants more distance and I'd like more speed, so it works. He's a school teacher so the hour will be early if I want to keep this up. I am hungry for lunch by 10:00 am though.
 
Home for the rest of the week (In NYC yesterday for work) and no airplane travel until next week. Yee Haw!
 
Nice emergence Heme and sounds like an awesome weekend ahead for you.
 
Nice new MM status Bill. Congratulations!

Spareribs · Oct 19, 2010

Heme, I hope your knee issue goes away. I am really babying my knee since TCM, and today was the third day in a row I have run with no pain, but to be safe I am icing it now. Ran 3.1 deliberately slow miles today.
 
MC made a great point yesterday about Boston. Now that they've seen the money, it will be hard for them to adopt more rigid standards. I wish they would make us privy to their thinking, or solicit input from the running community regarding what to do, making public what their concerns and restraints are in solving the problem. But they are a bit like the Politburo the way they make decisions. It's a fascinating case study I think. Spareribs

Opie · Oct 19, 2010

mc, I finally read your review of the Recovery Sock & ordered a pair. I hope it will give my calves some relief, especially the right one, as of course that's what aggravates the PF. I don't think it'll get here in time to bring down there but will be nice to have when I get back.
 
Short easy run planned after work. This time I think I'll go outside in the cool & wet.

OrangeMat · Oct 19, 2010

Good morning everyone. Well, technically it's afternoon already here, but most of you are in earlier time zones.... as evanflein said, heh....
 
Good to hear Heme and Spareribs' knee issues seem to be resolving themselves nicely. My hamstring, etc. issue from last week did the same; just needed a bit of time off. Too bad there isn't a way to know ahead of time that you're doing too much and that you're on the verge of overtraining... but at the same time not hold yourself back from a possible breakthrough if you just put in a little more effort.... I suppose it's because running, like life, just isn't an exact science, as much as I would like it to be. Heh, once again.
 
9.57 miles late this morning, in 1:30:12. That's a 9:26 avg pace. That might not be much for you folks, but I'm still in shock as to how fast I've gotten in terms of my comfortable cruising speed. Though the question is, could I really maintain that over a major distance? Guess I just have to keep running and I'll find out. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif" title="">
 
Hopefully everyone who wanted to get into Boston yesterday did. Yeah, pretty amazing as to how quickly it closed up.
 
Have a great day, all!

Opie · Oct 19, 2010

OM, I know exactly what you mean about comfortable cruising speed. I think I just got chicked again!

Dove · Oct 19, 2010

Ok, full blown taper madness today. I can't believe I signed up for this race.... What was I thinking?!?! 
Tarantulas and scorpions and javelinas, oh my!

irunmike · Oct 19, 2010

Hi Gang,
 
Byll, that takes some seriously maniacal fortitude to do what you did. Congrats, I think <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//smile.gif">
 
Nice runs CNY, Pink, and OM!
 
Good recovering Ribs and Heme. What's tw's saying about the difference between masters and other runners? Something about discipline during recovery?
 
8 miles today (at 32F!). 2 mile w/u then a 6 mile tempo at 8:03. Felt good.
 
Carry on,
Mike

mcsolar99 · Oct 19, 2010

i'd like to get chicked by om; on this morning's warmup 4mi i would have been. i did 15mi on the bike trainer last night and my legs were uncooperative lead pipes for a while.
 
8.5mi w/ 6x1k (60s rest) 3:54 avg
 
my bet is that there won't be an old-style "boston" marathon again... boston used to be a motivational race for guys who couldn't get into the olympic trials... sort of a competitive citizens race, rather than an elite race... although it had an elite component to it also. now there's just no way such a race could make money, or draw such a large crowd of competitive (i.e. age group winning) marathoners. the new marathons are geared toward huge numbers of runners, big crowds and a set of elite racers at the top end competing for big prize money. i think it's the inevitable result of the popularizing of the sport, and maybe it's not such a bad thing in the long run.

gobi · Oct 19, 2010

I hope that Boston keeps having standards and doesn't go totally big city. London is a pig of a race due to the size, My master plan is to stay in sub 3 shape for as long as possible as that seems to be a good way into events.
 
Good news on the knee Heme
 
CNY - I often run in the dark at 5am, you will be amazed at how you just get use to it.
 
2 turbo sessions and 1 run for me today, nothing special just training

tomwhite · Oct 19, 2010

...I agree with mc (that TreeHuggingCommie).....
 
...back in the 70s
I skipped running the First PeachTree in Atlanta,
it had 300 PEOPLE!!!!
 
who wanted to fight those kinds of crowds.
 
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irunmike · Oct 19, 2010

Seems fishy to me. According to today's Boston Globe, last year registration closed after 3 weeks. This year, after 8 hours. Why the sudden accelerated rate in registrants? The Boston Marathon isn't something newly discovered by the running crowd. It's been around for over 110 years. I wonder if some some for these registrants were computer-generated.
 
Yeah, it's a monstrosity of a race. If I didn't have a staff member who lives within a 1/2 mile of the start, I'm not sure I would have done it 4 times. Hanging out in the elements for 3 hrs is not my idea of how to approach 26.2 miles. But 2011 is the first year in 4 that I'm not qualified, and I'm still a little bummed. After our NE winters, April always seems a perfect time for a race. GL to those who got in.

gobi · Oct 19, 2010

Boston qualifying - is it graded ?

mcsolar99 · Oct 19, 2010

from amby burfoot article on boston standards last year:
<a href="http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/microsite/article/0,8029,s6-239-506--13111-4-1X2X3-4,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/microsite/article/0,8029,s6-239-506--13111-4-1X2X3-4,00.html</a> 
 
 
Changing Standards 
It hasn't always been this hard—or easy—to get into the Boston Marathon 
April 19, 1897—OPEN Fifteen men run the first Boston Marathon, open to any male 19 or older. 
1970—4:00 To control crowds, the first qualifying standard is instituted. "This is not a jogging race," say organizers. 
1971—3:30 BAA lowers the time restrict field to 1,000; 1,067 enter. 
1972—3:30 Women, now allowed officially to enter, are kept to same time standards. 
1977—3:00 New time is instituted for men 39 and under. 
1980—2:50 Due to record number of entrants, standards tighten for men 19-39, 40+ (3:10), and women (3:20). 
1981—3:20 New standard for men 50-59; men 60+ and women 40+ get 3:30. 
1984—3:50 As the ranks of "masters" women rise, new time set for women 60+. (Women 50-59 must run 3:40.) 
1987—4:00 The BAA eases times for all women (from 3:30 for those under 40 to 4:00 for 60+) and men 18-39 (3:00). 
1990—4:20 Five-year age groups (from 35 to 70+) are instituted with relaxed standards, including 4:20 for 70+. 
2003—5:30 New time for women 80+. BAA softens standards for runners age 45 and over, and adds new age groups for those over 70.

OrangeMat · Oct 20, 2010

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So at this rate, I'm due to qualify in 32 years. Good to know.

Labduck · Oct 20, 2010

Oy vey, what a day! Most days I tolerate my job; today was not one of those days. But that's enough of that.
 
My easy seven miler become an Angst Eight to work out some aggression. 8 miles in about an hour (okay, it was 59:55 for a 7:29/mi average.) I probably should not have done this, but maybe it's true - you can run away from your problems!

gobi · Oct 20, 2010

MC - thanks for the information, Does sound like they have become big city make money focussed.
 
You could say it also highlights the decline in marathon running or on the other side of the coin rather than a decline we could say it highlights the rise in number of people running marathons rather than competing in them.
 
 
I am sure that I will come and do it once.

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