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<p>Just wondering who else (everyone?) has specific workouts that act as a guage of current fitness.  In my case, it's a standard bike route, and yet so much more than that, as I realized on my last such attempt.  There are rules that must be followed for this particular workout to be a true fitness guage.  So I thought I'd air my neurosis and give you the rules and guidelines of a "Ridgefield Ride."</p>
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<p>Not every ride from my house to the town of Ridgefield and back is entered in the training log as a Ridgefield Ride.  If I soft pedal to Ridgefield and back it's just a 23.5 mile bike ride - it doesn't provide any indication of my current riding ability, see.  The point of a Ridgefield Ride is that it is an all-out effort to see how fast I can get to Ridgefield and back.  As such, it must be a best effort every time, with no route deviations.  And of course, there are many other rules and guidelines:</p>
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<ul><li>The route if fixed, no deviations.  If a deviation is forced (construction, etc) the ride no longer qualifies as a Ridgefield Ride.</li>
<li>Minimizing total ride time is paramount.  How this is achieved is irrelevant, subject to the other rules.  The point of this rule is that 100% effort is not required if you think that 85% effort might result in an overall faster ride time.  Generally, though, you ought to finish feeling totally spent.</li>
<li>The ride may be declassified from a Ridgefield Ride to an ordinary ride if, in the first 4 miles, it becomes apparent the legs don't have it today (4 miles is just after the first hill).  After the 4 mile mark, the ride may only be declassified for circumstances out of your control (mechanical, construction, etc).  See exception next.</li>
<li>To avoid discouraging riding at greater than 100% effort (i.e. "oops, too hot"), an exception to the above rule may be granted if the legs completely implode with more than 2 miles remaining.  In this case, the ride may be declassified, although it is encouraged to mention the original intent of the ride in the training log notes.  This exception specifically does NOT apply to a "leg fade."  Anything other than a complete and utter ride to failure must still be entered as a Ridgefield Ride.</li>
<li>No warm-up allowed.</li>
<li>Bike computer is set to auto start/stop, only because that's how I always ride.</li>
<li>Stop signs may be rolled when safe (this ride is mostly farm country), stop lights (there are 3) must be obeyed.  Timing the lights is highly encouraged.</li>
<li>Equipment and clothing must be USAT legal, otherwise no restrictions.</li>
<li>No unforced stops (rest breaks) allowed.  Dropping a water bottle or other "semi-forced" stops are a judgement call, see next rule.</li>
<li>Weather (including wind) is specifically precluded from ever being used as grounds for declassifying a Ridgefield Ride.  No excuses, Pansy!!!</li>
<li>A forced stop lasting long enough for the heart rate to drop below Z2 may be grounds for declassifying the ride.  Judge makes the call (that's me, but it has to be an "impartial" decision on my part).  Stoplights do not qualify.</li>
<li>Vehicular drafting is allowed, but never in the vehicular lane itself (must be in the bike lane or along the fog line).  No drafting off other cyclists.</li>
<li>It is not required this be a solo effort, but is highly encouraged.  A rabbit or a hunter could provide a mental boost, therefore any PR set with a ride partner would have an asterisk applied.</li>
<li>An ordinary ride may be upgraded to a Ridgefield Ride at any time, including after the clock has stopped, as long as all other rules were met.</li>
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<p>I'm probably leaving out a guideline or two, but that's the bulk of it.  Basically, I need to decide at the ride start whether or not this will be an attempt at a new Ridgefield Ride PR.  I have 4 miles to change my mind, after that I pretty much have to see it through to the end.</p>
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<p>My goal for quite a while has been to average 20 mph for a Ridgefield Ride.  Best so far (last summer) was 19.7 mph.  So far this year I haven't even come close.</p>
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<p>Anyone else do this?  I don't really have anything this elaborate for running and nothing even remotely resembling it for swimming.  I pretty much leave racing to guage my fitness in those two.</p>
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<p>Absolutely have "litmus courses", as I will call them, littered all over my training landscape. It is how I know for fact that I am now over the hump, on the other side if you will, of my all-time peak speed, with me know slowing down slightly.</p>
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<p>Since I gave up triathlon and have chosen not to ride this year (plan to get back on bike next year), my litmus courses are in the run. Some are daily loops, such as a course I run one to four times per month, but they aren't always used as a test; sometimes I just run the route. Just running the route, however, gives feedback to my basic fitness level and, to another extent, my state of tiredness, because if I'm running a standard route on an average off day, and if I run the route more than a minute slower than normal, I know that my body is tired. But I rarely need a route to tell me so; I can feel it.</p>
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<p>Other litmus tests are workouts that might not be on a set route but that may have an element of repeats on a known hill. If I can do the repeats in at or near record (or at least honest) time, and if I can still be pumping strong on the last repeat, where the split time isn't any slower than the first few, I know my strength is there for whatever mountain I want to throw at it. The rest is just mental. That's what this sort of test tells me.</p>
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<p>5K races are always -- and I mean always -- a test of sorts. It tells me EXACTLY where my speed is. Since I've been running so many mountains and trails this year, getting slower and slower since I'm aging and not doing much speed work, I have little interest in running a 5K right now. Because I already know that I'm slower than peak. But the 5K will always tell me where I am. Perhaps the best test of all.</p>
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<p>To your list of "rules", Mr. Taxman -- yes, I can tell your profession by looking at the rules -- you might include a bullet that equipment should be standard and similar to previous attempts. In other words, you want to use the same or similar bike setup. You do not want to be putting on an aero helmet or set of slick race wheels one week and not another. Keep it the same. Because depending on the wind direction and speed, your speed may indeed fluctuate on certain portions of the course even more than it would otherwise, meaning the course could get faster or even slower depending on conditions. So keep equipment not only USATF legal, as you have point out, but also the same week to week.</p>
 

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<p>That's pretty impressive Matt... 19.7 avg.  If I recall, that's not an easy ride.   </p>
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<p>Yes, I have a litmus bike ride- 24 miles.  I can't treat this 100% like you do your ride to Ridgefield- just because of traffic and stop signs. (you might remember as you rode it)</p>
<p>I like this particular ride as it tells me how I'm advancing throughout the season- not just in time measurment but in how I feel after each hill and after the ride is over. At the beginning of the season I feel done after this ride.  A couple of weeks ago I added another couple of moderate hills AND a run immediately following and felt pretty good.  Generally, I use this route as a guage to my hill fitness.</p>
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<p>I also use the trail (at non-peak times) to gauge my tempo and speed.  I tempo out 11 miles.  The last time I did this (about 4 weeks ago) I managed 35 minutes out (with one stoplight).  When I made the turnaround I had to make back in less than 25 minutes including the stoplight. I made it at 59:01.  This particular ride I treat way more like your Ridgefield ride.   </p>
 

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<p>THanks for sharing the detailed rules Matt.  Yes I do similar tests, for running, biking and swimming.  The problem is, I tend to take a lot of workouts (except recovery workouts) as such tests, which we all know, not a smart idea.  The biking is the toughest one because there are so many outside elements as you mentioned above.  Apple-to-apple comparison is tough.  Since I sort of lost an interst in road riding, I haven't done much such tests.  But in the past, I did 2x20min ride at the same route (wiht no stop signs/lights) to compare the time/HR.  Since one 20min is out, and the other 20min back, the wind factor is somewhat neutralized.  I also did 10mile TT a few times. </p>
<p>For running, any specific workouts, i.e. tempo, cruise interval, vo2 intervals, become sort of test of fitness (not all out test, but how it feels, how the HR is, etc).  But again, stress, fatigue, recovery days around it, all play a role.  So I try not to think any one workout to be the indication of how I am improving, and instead try to look for the trend.</p>
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<p>I also use the trail (at non-peak times) to gauge my tempo and speed.  I tempo out 11 miles.  The last time I did this (about 4 weeks ago) I managed 35 minutes out (with one stoplight).  When I made the turnaround I had to make back in less than 25 minutes including the stoplight. I made it at 59:01.  This particular ride I treat way more like your Ridgefield ride.   </p>
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I play this game, too, but with a slight twist.  I will ride out toward Ridgefield for 30 minutes hard, then turn around and try to get home before the hour mark.  The twist, though, is that the 30 minutes isn't set in stone.  If I'm feeling strong and/or will have a tailwind home, I will try to guess how far past 30 minutes I can go outbound and still make it home in less than an hour.  These are very fun rides.  I had one where I went out 35 minutes and absolutely hammered it home, finishing in 59:40.  Usually I am off by a couple minutes one way or the other, though.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Thor</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/74755/training-litmus-tests#post_2008995"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><p> In other words, you want to use the same or similar bike setup. You do not want to be putting on an aero helmet or set of slick race wheels one week and not another. Keep it the same. Because depending on the wind direction and speed, your speed may indeed fluctuate on certain portions of the course even more than it would otherwise, meaning the course could get faster or even slower depending on conditions. So keep equipment not only USATF legal, as you have point out, but also the same week to week.</p>
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Would normally agree with you, and your logic is flawless, but that's not the way I play this particular game.  The reason being, I want to encourage not only different setups and equipment, but also more Ridgefield Rides.  If I go out with the aero setup and set a 10 second PR, next week I will likely be encouraged to revert back to the regular training setup to see if the equipment really made the difference.  With enough variables I will never run out of reasons to do this ride.  Plus the whole idea is to find the fastest way to ride, whether by harder training or a deeper pocketbook is irrelevant.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Yo Sake</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/74755/training-litmus-tests#post_2009009"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>  So I try not to think any one workout to be the indication of how I am improving, and instead try to look for the trend.</p>
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<br><br><p>Yes, exactly.  Any one workout doesn't mean much, but taken together they do.</p>
 

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Then it's not really a litmus test per se since a litmus test tends to be black and white with no grey. I would call the Thursday TT a litmus test. This is more like a factorial. Sorry...work on the brain. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"></p>
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Would normally agree with you, and your logic is flawless, but that's not the way I play this particular game.  The reason being, I want to encourage not only different setups and equipment, but also more Ridgefield Rides.  If I go out with the aero setup and set a 10 second PR, next week I will likely be encouraged to revert back to the regular training setup to see if the equipment really made the difference.  With enough variables I will never run out of reasons to do this ride.  Plus the whole idea is to find the fastest way to ride, whether by harder training or a deeper pocketbook is irrelevant.</p>
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<p>wouldn't it really be more of a red/blue with no purple thing?<br>
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Then it's not really a litmus test per se since a litmus test tends to be black and white with no grey. I would call the Thursday TT a litmus test. This is more like a factorial. Sorry...work on the brain. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"></p>
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<p>Good point. <br>
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