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<p>I'm just starting since I feel weird starting one and not the other.  Not that I'm running.</p>
 

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<p>Good morning, <strong>Moe</strong>.  I'm not running today either.  Let's see how long we can go before we find someone who actually is.  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/cool.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;" title=""></p>
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<p>I did run yesterday, though.  6.7 hilly miles in a light rain.  My legs feel a little beat up, so I definitely need the day off today.  Maybe I'll hit the gym for a light workout, but usually when I say that I end up skipping it.  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;" title=""></p>
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<p>I've been remarkably consistent over the last three weeks.  (i.e. my Running log (see my sig) looks fairly identical for those weeks).  But I suppose that'll change this weekend when I do a 5k race on Saturday and then try to stick my long(ish) run onto Sunday...</p>
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<p>Good workouts to everybody today...</p>
 

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Not likely to run today...stupid knee. All my fault too...so stupid me!<br>
 

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<p>I feel a little confused. Also I'm struggling.  After letting myself lax into the worst condition of my life I formed a plan and started a comeback last month.  I mapped out a workout routine for this entire month.  It was ambitious but nothing outrageous.  It would require me to get up 30 minutes earlier to have time to complete everything before work.  Well I tried it for a few weeks but felt drained due to losing that sleep and taxing my body at the same time.  It meant I was getting less than 7 hours of sleep on average.  I don't function as well with under 7 hours, I feel drained most of the following day.</p>
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<p>When I started over running I decided to start from zero and add a 1/4 mile every week until I get up to 3 miles per run.  I have only made all 4 runs per week only once, I am going up by 1/4 if I can get 3 runs in for a given week. So far so good as I have gotten my 3 runs in every week (just not 4).  Hope that makes sense. </p>
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<p>Ok I set weight loss goals as well.  1 pound a week or about 4 or 5 a month.  I have actually made those goals for the last 3 weeks.  I've also been able to cut down on the eating out/fast food lately.  Yet I have not been able to keep this new schedule which frustrates the obsessive compulsive side of me.  Instead of getting the 4 runs in each week I am pretty much getting 3.  Instead of 2 days of pilates I am getting 1.  Instead of biking 4 days a week I am probably getting 2 or 3.  Consistency is really my greatest foe, always has been.</p>
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<p>Now I find that my knees feel swollen each night before bed.  My impulse reaction was to buy new shoes as it's been about a year since I bought the other ones BUT I know I have not put a lot of miles on them.  My left knee always hurts when those shoes wear out (mild over pronation).  However this pain is not in the normal spot.  I have nightly swelling on the inside of my knee area around to the back.  The past couple of days I have started to use an ice pack on them.  So this little complication baffles me as well.  Was I merely so heavy and out of shape that my knees have never run while supporting this much weight?  Dunno.  Should I buy new shoes......dunno.</p>
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<p>I am looking forward to my end of the month weight and measurements. Specifically my waist.  I think I am going to loose a tad bit around the waist as I can feel my pants not quite as tight. </p>
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<p>So......what is odd is that I am frustrated by not being able to follow my new fancy plan.  A plan that is comprehensive but only takes about an hour and a half a day.  It would burn about 500 calories a day by my estimates.  That of course helps the weight loss, etc.  But I find I feel worse by getting up at 5:30 every morning when I can't get in bed before 11 pm most nights.  Also I have discovered that I am so tired after work that my body refuses any exercise in the evenings.  So whatever I do has to be in the mornings.  All that said......I have met my weekly weight loss goals so far and I have not run less than two times and thus have progressed on my running.  Very odd in that I fail in one area but am succeeding in my overall goals.... </p>
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<p>Thanks for listening.  Maybe I'm just impatient and am very disappointed in myself to get in this condition in the first place and there are no quick fixes.  You quit running then you will take months to get back to where you were- maybe nearly a year.  You gain all that weight and you will take months maybe a year to get it off.  I don't believe in quick fixes or weight loss pills and the like.  I refuse to take that route.  BUT if I maintain this pace I would hit my weight goal in in February which will actually be here before you know it!  LOL</p>
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<p>I appreciate any advice, pats on the back, kicks in the butt, etc. hehehe</p>
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<p>Have a great day.</p>
 

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<p>Five posts into the Run thread until we have an actual runner ... funny. I went out for 7+ miles this morning which included 3 mile repeats in the middle. Went better than I expected for my first workout and start of a new training cycle.</p>
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<p>Hi <strong>Moe</strong>!<br><br><strong>Bob</strong> - hills do that to me, too (beat up my legs.)<br><br><strong>Amichel</strong> - ouch on the knee.<br><br><strong>maples</strong> - I think if it were me I'd start off getting active again for x amount of hours each week and focus on overall fitness, like you're doing. Maybe you should be biking more and add the running after a few months. You'll get there.</p>
 

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<p>Greetings all.</p>
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<p>6M on the hamster wheel this am.</p>
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<p>Maples - not really sure what advice to offer, though one thing did catch my attention - your cycling.  Have you been to a biking store to be properly fitted (For lack of a better word) for your bike?  If your seat position isn't correct, that certainly could contribute to knee issues.</p>
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<p>Just some food for thought. </p>
 

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<p>Butt tape! Butt tape! Butt tape! and arm stuff and the hardest ab dvd I have. Oof. (<strong>Theia</strong>, the pilates thing wasn't a big deal. I've been checking out different workout dvds from the library [belly dancing, salsa, weight training, pilates, yoga, etc] to shake things up, try new things, see what I like.)</p>
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<p>And then 5 miles. It's oppressively (get down with O-P-P!)  humid out. :barf:</p>
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<p><strong>Maples:</strong> I've been getting up at 6 and try to be In BED by 10. This fall when I bump up mileage I'll start getting up at 5:30 and getting to bed by 9:30. I usually read for a bit when I get in bed, but I try to be IN bed by 9:30 or 10. No way could I work out for 1.5 hours and go to work and be at all coherent when I get home if I got to bed at 11 or after.</p>
 

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<p><strong>Maples</strong>, first of all congrats for getting back in there and committing to yourself and your health.  Your schedule is ambitious, so it's understandable that you're not doing ALL of the workouts.  Still, you're doing a great deal and should be proud of that.  Remember that you didn't gain weight (and get out of shape) overnight, so you won't lose it quickly either. </p>
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<p>Do you buy your shoes from a running store?  If not, I recommend it.  Take the shoes you currently run in and have them look at the tread, watch you run, etc.  Ailarie's advice about the bike is good too.  Make sure your equipment supports and protects you. </p>
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<p>Whatever you do, DON'T GIVE UP!  Keep up the good work.</p>
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<p>No run for me, but I did have an AWESOME swim this morning.  I did intervals -- 10 x 50 @ 1:10, meaning I started the next 50 yard sprint after 1:10 no matter how long the sprint took me.  Swim faster = more rest.  Swim slower = less rest.  My paces were not only very consistent but also WAY faster than I've ever gone before! </p>
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<p>Morning. So I attempted to run last night. Got the park and it was 93, with a dew point of 79. I made it 2.25 of the 10 miles. Figured not worth killing myself over. It was pure brutality in the tenth degree. This is why I went with a late fall marathon, so I wouldn't fret over these hot months. I like it. Got up for four miles this morning, felt wonderful. about 65 degrees with a little humidity. Ahhhhh...</p>
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<p><strong>Maples -</strong> Running has it's ups and downs. It's tough when you take a large amount of time off and try to come back at it. I have a friend who has been trying unsuccessfully to regain his fitness from four years ago, he keeps thinking that he can do more than he can, rather than working his way up. You have to have patience when it comes to running.</p>
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<p>If you haven't already, get to a running store and get fitted for proper shoes. Take your bike to the local bike shop and get fitted properly.</p>
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<p>I get to bed at or before 10:00 every night and I'm up around 6:00. That's the only way I can function.</p>
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<p>Just some ideas...</p>
 

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<p>Well...I didn't get out for my bike ride yesterday.  I was peer pressured into something totally not good for me.  But oh my, did I have a good time!</p>
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<p>I did run this morning, a tad over 5k.  Sweatfest!  Didn't have time for a swim but I'll have one after work, after I mow the lawn.</p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong> good on you for keeping up with it, even if it's not exactly what you set out to do!  Having a plan is certainly a good thing but you can't be too hard on yourself if you don't keep up exactly with it.  Give yourself kudos for doing what you can and enjoy yourself!</p>
 

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<p>Hi, all. I took yesterday off because I was underslept and did my 2 miles this morning. Again, no watch, but I felt stronger and faster.</p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong>, I agree that you should try to get more sleep and also to be gentle with yourself. 3 days a week is great, for a restarter (are we renewbies?) It's going to take time, as you say, but you are making great improvements already. I am also lapsed and trying to get back to it. It makes me sad to think that I used to be so much stronger. I'm was scared to even look up my old PRs because I am so far from that shape now. But we will get there, in time, if we are patient. I think perfectionism is the worst obstacle to progress in running, for me, because it leads me to overdo things and injure myself.</p>
 

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<p>morning <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wave.gif" style="width:25px;height:15px;" title=""></p>
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<p>5 easy miles this morning.  Legs were feeling it a bit after the longer, harder run last night, but no problems.  Did some good post-run stuff to work out any kinks, and some core, too.  May head to the beach today. </p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong> - Definitely go to a good running store and have them check your gait, feet, shoes.  The right shoes make all the difference. </p>
<p><strong>Jill</strong> - way to start off the new training cycle! </p>
 

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<p>Heading down to the TM in a few minutes (thunderstorms on the way and The Open is on tv) for some miles...</p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong> - you've gotten some great advice so far so this will probably be overkill:</p>
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<p>1) an hour and a half each day of working out might be too ambitious</p>
<p>2) check your bike fit - sounds like it could be the culprit of the knee</p>
<p>3) most importantly:  go to bed earlier.  11 pm?  You're in the central time zone dude...that would be staying up to midnight here.  Like <strong>Kath</strong> and <strong>Baggs</strong> said lights out for us is 10 pm.  Record the TV your watching or turn the interweb off.</p>
<p>4) Keep plugging away...you're making progress, don't give up yet.</p>
 

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<p>Morning all!  Got out for 7 sleazy miles this morning in major humid conditions although it was a good test to see where my hammy/butt is feeling.  Mostly OK but not 100%.  Will continue to monitor throughout today and attempt hill sprints tonight with an abbreviated warm-up/cool-down.</p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong> - one other thing not touched upon yet has to do with your comment "my body refuses to exercise" and how worn down you feel.  The sleep is a big part of that, without a doubt but so is your diet.  What kinds of food are you eating?   It's easy to cut calories and still eat plenty of junk that might not be fueling (and refueling) your body in a way that has it ready for your next physical endeavor, whether pilates, a run or the bike.  My 2 cents.</p>
 

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<p>Renewbies!  hah!  I love that word!</p>
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<p><strong>Maples </strong> Pretty much ditto on everyone's advice already given.  And the sleep thing, man, I have found that I really require 8 hours of sleep.  So if I want to get up and run at 5 I HAVE to be in bed by 9, otherwise, it's just ain't gonna happen.  shee-it, even when I get to bed by 9 it still doesn't happen!  Mornings can be TOUGH for some of us. </p>
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<p><strong>Baggs</strong> :notworthy:  for even ATTEMPTING to run outside last night.  I saw some people out running and couldn't imagine - it was truly brutal out there.  ugh. </p>
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<p>It was soooo much nicer here this morning than it was yesterday.  I ran 8 on the mill last night and thought about running a few easy this a.m. after I walked Le Freak, but my shin was twingey so I didn't.  I may regret it, it may be the last really nice morning for a while.</p>
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<p>Happy trails everyone!</p>
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<p>OH speaking of trails, I discovered that there's a rugged type trail system RIGHT near my house!  I have to go check it out asap!  whee!!</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KP</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68844/thurs-run-7-15#post_1922363"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><p>3) most importantly:  go to bed earlier.  11 pm?  You're in the central time zone dude...that would be staying up to midnight here.  Like <strong>Kath</strong> and <strong>Baggs</strong> said lights out for us is 10 pm.  Record the TV your watching or turn the interweb off.</p>
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<p>I try to stop working on projects by 9-9:30 and not have such bright lights on so I can unwind a bit mentally before going to bed so that when I do lay down I can fall asleep quickly.</p>
 

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<p>morning</p>
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<p>Like <strong>Baggs</strong> said, last night was so freaking warm out.  We took it easy (i.e. slower pace) and cut out a section that is all in the sun. We also came back avoiding the big hills. Ended up with 5.5 in like an hour or so.  I was soaking wet from head to toe but I felt ok overall. The biggest issue I had were the bugs (hungry buggers) and a branch that cut my leg up pretty good. Luckily I am a fast clotter and had a rag with (for sweat but it worked just fine for blood).  </p>
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<p>When we got back to the parking lot, I drank a can of sierra mist, 2 gatorades (small bottles) and half a beer.  I felt fine until I tried to sleep and then I was all itchy and my heart was racing.  I could not fall asleep and this morning I was very crampy.  Blah</p>
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<p>Running something easy after work.</p>
 

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<p>Hello all - this is one of the rare mornings when I'm able to walk through downtown SF without a jacket and not feel uncomfortable. </p>
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<p>Also means we're in the midst of heating up around these parts - got in 9.3 ez miles yesterday in mid-80s temps; the last 2.3 I didn't really want to do but I VTFU'd and got 'em done.  In fact, it was kinda weird - ran by someone running on the TM in their garage, and that looked oddly appealing in that they were in the shade the whole time.</p>
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<p>I think I'll do a brick of sorts today - maybe 20 min of intervals on the bike trainer followed by 30 min ez running sometime in the late afternoon/early evening.</p>
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<p><strong>Maples</strong> - I think people have pretty much hit on everything I would say.  I'd say for sure check out the bike fit and the current shoes - I can attest to how a wrongly-fitted bike and not-quite-right shoes can cause issues with the legs). </p>
 

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<p>Nothing for me yet.  Need to pick up my daughter tonight, around 10, so I will try and get in 3-4 this evening.  As mentioned by a few folks here, sleep is precious, and if I need to be up late to get DD, I figure I would sleep in this AM.  Same routine tomorrow.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>baggio16</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68844/thurs-run-7-15#post_1922341"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>...This is why I went with a late fall marathon, so I wouldn't fret over these hot months. I like it. Got up for four miles this morning, felt wonderful. about 65 degrees with a little humidity. Ahhhhh...</p>
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<p><strong>Maples -</strong><br><br>
Congrats on getting back at it.  As someone who goes through this annually, I can certainly empathize.  It sucks, it is frustrating, and you can end up beating yourself up.<br><br>
Don't beat yourself up.  You ARE doing more than you were.  You can not change the past, you can only try and be better today then you were yesterday.  One thing that I see is that you are adding more each week.  This means you are not giving your body the chance to adjust to a certain stress level before you add more stress.  Try this.  Whatever you do this week, try and repeat it for the next two weeks.  At that point, you will have had pretty much the same physical stress for three weeks in a row, and your body should have adapted (somewhat) to that stress level.  Take a rest week (not complete rest, but dial back the activity somewhat), and the up the activity level for the next week.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Example<br><br>
Weeks 1-3 = run 2.5 miles, 3x per week,  (7.5 miles for the week)<br>
Week 4, run 2 miles, 3x per week (6 mpw)<br><br>
Weeks 5-7 = run 3 miles, 3x per week,  (9 miles for the week)<br>
Week 8, run 2.5 miles, 3x per week (7.5 mpw)<br><br>
Weeks 9-11 = run 3.5 miles, 3x per week,  (10.5 miles for the week)<br>
Week 12, run 3 miles, 3x per week (9 mpw)<br><br>
Weeks 9-11 = run 3 miles, 4x per week,  (12 miles for the week)<br>
Week 12, run 3 miles, 3x per week (9 mpw)<br><br>
You can use time as your parameter instead of mileage, That may be a better way for you.  The key is to give your body a chance to adapt.  I know you say that your plan is not ambitious, but if you are going from nothing, it really is.  If you are a few weeks in and already struggling, dial things back a bit.  The worst thing you can do is to be overly ambitious, find yourself unable to complete your plan, and throw in the towel.</p>
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<p>As another re-newbie, right now I am running 2 days, resting the third, but it took a few months to get here.  And my two days are usually 3-4 one day, and about 5 the second.  I am repeating this over and over til the end of the month, and then I take a step back week, and see where I am at.</p>
 
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