[Mountmars]

I'm trying to help a running buddy figure out why he needs to puke after almost every long run, a long run being defined as 10 miles or 2 hours or more.<br><br>
He used to have, hmmm, lower abdominal distress after runs of 7 miles or so (1:15:00 +-), but getting him to get up earlier and giving himself more time before running worked pretty good.<br><br>
On these long runs, he's experimented with<br>
- half-juice, half-water;<br>
- mainly water, a bit of half-juice, half-water;<br>
- all gatorade.<br><br>
After a recent HM on a very hilly and windy course, he drank almost exclusively water (and maybe 4 oz 1/2-1/2), and he puked at the end again. Probably his worse ever. While he was tired from the effort, it wasn't all out exhaustion since he walked more than he ran the last 5 miles.<br><br>
I'm thinking that maybe he needs something more substantial to drink than water. Maybe he's not replenishing the electrolytes sufficiently.<br><br>
Since December when we had a good 10 K base, we've upped our weekly mileage and our long run mileage gradually on a week-to-week basis. The training has gone well, despite the puking.<br><br><br><br>
Any ideas? Experience? Suggestions?<br><br>
Mars

 

[PacerChris]

My only suggestion would be to stay away from him towards the end of a long run so you don't get spewed on.

 

[Mountmars]

I'm a little faster than him, so I have time to get out of the way...<br><br>
Seriously, he's pretty good about holding it together until he gets to an acceptable spot for regurgitating, but it's kind of putting a damper on his running accomplishments...<br><br>
Mars

 

[runningINnyc]

Does he eat and hydrate before races/runs?

 

[RunsTheBitterroot]

A few symtoms of hyponatremia (water intoxication)<br><br>
Hands and/or feet swell up twice normal size, Nausea that leads to vomiting, continuous or several times, Diarrhea which is continuous or repeated every 10 minutes or so, mental disorientation and confusion, severe cramping of the muscles for several miles.<br><br>
unless it is unusually hot, I don't usually drink anything 10 miles or under.<br><br>
Larry

 

[Mountmars]

To avoid BM, he now eats a long time before the run. This has worked.<br><br>
He has been a bit stingy on the pre-hydration, for fear of now getting any more in his system than he needs to. During the run, he's been rather on the conservative side in terms of drinking. The one time that he drank more, he kind of felt the liquid swishing around in his belly while running. Interestingly, he bonked on that run (kind of felt flat during the last few miles), and still puked after the run.<br><br>
Mars

 

[muzicgrl]

I used to puke after every single run when I first started running. I discovered that it was related to my allergies.<br><br>
Maybe he is just going too hard or maybe he needs to eat during the run. Have you guys tried gels or cliff blocks or something. I dont normally eat on runs that short but I know a lot of people do. How long were you guys out there?

 

[merigayle]

I used to puke or dry heave after EVERY race (pre ultra days) and it was HORRIBLE. I started taking Succeed! electrolyte tablets and it seemed to do the trick. Also, <a href="http://www.morningsicknesshelp.com/seabands.html" target="_blank">seabands</a> help as well, and i used them on all my races, as well as packing <a href="http://www.zombierunner.com/store/brands/the_ginger_people/" target="_blank">ginger</a> in case i feel nausea coming on!

 

[Mountmars]

It has happened almost every time we've been out 2 hours or more.<br><br>
He does not eat anything because he's worried that it'll just be more stuff on the way out.<br><br>
We'll definitely need to experiment, but I'm trying to give him a direction to experiment that's not too painful.<br><br>
Mars

 

[corrade]

Juice, reconstituted with corn syrup or what? Probably a lack of electrolytes. Maybe the crappy sugars in common drinks bother him. He could learn about osmolality at <a href="http://www.hammernutrition.com/za/HNT?PAGE=ARTICLE&ARTICLE.ID=297&OMI=10090,10071&AMI=10090&RETURN_URL=/za/HNT?PAGE=ENDURANCE_LIBRARY&OMI=10090,10071&AMI=10090&RETURN_TEXT=Endurance%20Library" target="_blank">Hammer Nutrition</a>, but that may cause headaches <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[merigayle]

I know a few people who like Hammer, but even more people, including myself, that get very sick from their products. <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif"> Once again, it is all trial and error.<br><br>
last year i stopped drinking sports drinks and just drink water supplemented by Succeed! electrolyte tablets. I think if your friend does not have enough food in him, he will get sick as well. dehydration can also cause you to vomit.<br><br>
What about eating just toast or dry cereal before his runs?

 

[Durt]

i only puke when i'm running with merigayle

 

[merigayle]

<img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> maybe cause the races we run together have been over 100F!! lol.

 

[DEturtle]

Hmm, that is true... one of the only times I thought I was going to yakk was at TNF right around the time I saw Meri, makes one wonder....<img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> then again I didn't yak it at TSI Fattest Butt<br><br>
I agree with other posts and Electrolytes... a good balance is essential to keep the puke away. I drink water and use Lava Salts/Succeed!.

 

[dg1]

I almost puked at JFK after eating one of those pbj's that meri said she liked...hmmm is right. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[merigayle]

Well i rarely have stomach problems, so y'all should have been paying more attention while running with me! <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[divaleh]

I can vouch for Meri and her golden belly.<br><br>
I took "Meri Notes" when I got home.......<br><br>
Not really, but I probably should have <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">