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<p>There was a time when I thought the death penalty was 'justifiable' - but over the years I've gotten to the point where it simply turns my stomach. I look at the picture of this woman - borderline mentally handicapped and I realize she's a mother - she didn't start life with the intent of dying by lethal injection.</p>
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<p>I dunno... She was involved in the murder of two innocent people - yet, somehow - I can't fathom she's a threat to society.</p>
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<p>Somehow, the letter of the law has overruled the spirit of the law.</p>
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<p>And in this case - this lady shouldn't have been executed.</p>
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<p>I am not now, nor have I ever been, in favor of the death penalty.</p>
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<p>Under any circumstances.</p>
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<p>I'm just not.</p>
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<p>So, I'm probably not the best person to ask here.</p>
 

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<p>She seemed like she deserved the death penalty to me.  She contracted with two guys to murder her husband and his son strictly to get her stepson's $250.000 life insurance policy.</p>
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<p>On the night her two helpers came in she prayed with her husband before going to bed and then unlocked the door to their mobile home to let the murderers in as well as secured their pit bull in a room so the dog would not disturb the two guys while carrying out their executions.  She also arranged for her 16 year old daughter to have sex with one of the murderers in a parking lot.</p>
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<p>God is the final judge in the matter but I did not see any reason to spare her the death penalty on earth.</p>
 

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<p>I disagree.</p>
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<p>She planned the whole thing.  It isn't like she was defending herself, or got angry and acted out without thinking.  She contacted people, arranged it, got the guns, set up payment - made sure she would get the life insurance money.  She even thought to lock up the dog - and watched the whole thing happen.   There was a <strong>whole lot</strong> of thought that went into planning it.   If that's not dangerous, I don't know what is.</p>
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<p>Good riddance.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GaReb770</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1948451"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>She seemed like she deserved the death penalty to me.  She contracted with two guys to murder her husband and his son strictly to get her stepson's $250.000 life insurance policy.</p>
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<p>On the night her two helpers came in she prayed with her husband before going to bed and then unlocked the door to their mobile home to let the murderers in as well as secured their pit bull in a room so the dog would not disturb the two guys while carrying out their executions.  She also arranged for her 16 year old daughter to have sex with one of the murderers in a parking lot.</p>
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<p>God is the final judge in the matter but I did not see any reason to spare her the death penalty on earth.</p>
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This</p>
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<p>I am a proponent of the death penalty and don't think we use it enough, or fast enough, for that matter. </p>
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<p>I don't believe in gun control, but I also believe that if you commit a crime with a gun, it should be a death penalty case.</p>
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<p>Rape should be a death penalty case.</p>
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<p>That doesn't mean that everyone convicted in these situations should get the DP, BUT, it should at least be an option that should  be used in many of them.</p>
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<p>And as for how much time it takes to strap them in the chair from the moment of convition.... let's think about that just about as long as they thought about their victims when committing their crimes.</p>
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<p>Fuck em.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mrscoby78</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1948452"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I disagree.</p>
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<p>She planned the whole thing.  It isn't like she was defending herself, or got angry and acted out without thinking.  She contacted people, arranged it, got the guns, set up payment - made sure she would get the life insurance money.  She even thought to lock up the dog - and watched the whole thing happen.   There was a <strong>whole lot</strong> of thought that went into planning it.   If that's not dangerous, I don't know what is.</p>
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<p>Good riddance.</p>
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I'm not really following this, but I heard somewhere that she may not have been the one who planned it and that she may have been coerced by the men who did it.  It was said that she may not have the mental capacity to have planned something like this. </p>
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<p>Not sure where I read this.<br>
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<p>Notey, I read something similar.</p>
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<p>And, I think if one person is murdered unjustly from the death penalty (and it's already happened)</p>
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<p>It's one too many.</p>
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<p> Satfix- Does if bother you more because it is a woman?</p>
<p>Or because of her questionable mental capacity?</p>
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<p>Regardless, I am against the death penalty partly because I feel it has not been proven as a deterrent to crime.</p>
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<p>And that it is not meted out fairly. It depends a lot of times who you are, where you comitted your crime and how competent your lawyers were rather than the crime itself.</p>
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<p>And , in the admittedly very rare circumstance that someone innocent is executed, impossible to take back.</p>
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<p>But mostly I believe that it is immoral.</p>
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<p>Others may disagree.</p>
 

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<p>I can mentally assent to the idea of the death penalty and why it would be wanted or asked for,  but I'm with Dan on this one.</p>
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<p>If taking a life is wrong, then it's always wrong.  Frankly, I think it would be worse punishment for some people to carry their memories around for a LONG time...</p>
 

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<p>We don't have the death penalty in Canada.  When I was younger I agreed with this policy whole heartedly.  Then I read about the things that Clifford Olsen did after he was incarcerated and I started thinking that maybe - in exreme cases such as his - there was some merit in having a death penalty. </p>
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<p>However, if I was a Christian, Buddhist or Muslim I think I would have to oppose the death penalty with all my fiber. </p>
 

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<p>I read that as well.  That was a big part of her defense and her appeals.  I just don't buy it. </p>
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<p>A person with a 72 IQ knows what killing somebody means.  Even if she didn't originate the plan, she was a <strong>huge</strong> part in carrying it out.  She found out that her husband was the benficiary of the life insurance policy.  She got them the guns.  She unlocked the door.  She put up the dog.  She waited for <strong>45 minutes</strong> to call police while her husband laid there begging for his life. </p>
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<p>Her mental capacity is a bullshit defense.  She should have been executed long ago. <br><br>
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I'm not really following this, but I heard somewhere that she may not have been the one who planned it and that she may have been coerced by the men who did it.  It was said that she may not have the mental capacity to have planned something like this. </p>
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<p>Not sure where I read this.<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Xavier Dan Q</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1948498"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p> Satfix- Does if bother you more because it is a woman?</p>
<p>Or because of her questionable mental capacity?</p>
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<p>Regardless, I am against the death penalty partly because I feel it has not been proven as a deterrent to crime.</p>
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<p>And that it is not meted out fairly. It depends a lot of times who you are, where you comitted your crime and how competent your lawyers were rather than the crime itself.</p>
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<p>And , in the admittedly very rare circumstance that someone innocent is executed, impossible to take back.</p>
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<p>But mostly I believe that it is immoral.</p>
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<p>Others may disagree.</p>
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Dan - It bothers me probably more that it's a woman but more because of her questionable mental capacity. I'm not saying she wasn't guilty or that she shouldn't spend the rest of her life in prison. Depending on her mental capacity, I don't know how much of her 'acts' were of her own volition but as a result of the manipulation of the guy with whom she was having the affair.</p>
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<p>I just don't equate this woman with serial killers a la "Ted Bundy" et al. I dunno.. just doesn't sit right with me.</p>
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<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Xavier Dan Q</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1948498"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p> Satfix- Does if bother you more because it is a woman?</p>
<p>Or because of her questionable mental capacity?</p>
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<p>Regardless, I am against the death penalty partly because I feel it has not been proven as a deterrent to crime.</p>
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<p>And that it is not meted out fairly. It depends a lot of times who you are, where you comitted your crime and how competent your lawyers were rather than the crime itself.</p>
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<p>And , in the admittedly very rare circumstance that someone innocent is executed, impossible to take back.</p>
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<p>But mostly I believe that it is immoral.</p>
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<p>Others may disagree.</p>
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<p>I'll quack to that.                   <br>
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<p>Barring a last minute stay by the U.S. Supreme Court Georgia will execute a 31 year old man who who murdered an 11 year old boy, his 13 year old sister and their father in a house burglary in 1998.  He was originally scheduled for execution last Thursday but tried to kill himself and Georgia taxpayers had to rush him to the hospital so he could be revived from self inflicted razor wounds.  His attorney's have successfully obtained two stays for him this weekend on the grounds his suicide attempt proved he was not mentally capable of being executed but it looks like he might be executed in just over an hour from now.</p>
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<p>There are no ambiguities or circumstantial evidence in this case.  He, along with another partner also on death row,  carried out their gruesome execution of three innocent lives.   Just as in the case of Theresa Lewis, I see no reason not to execute him.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1949322"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I now subscribe to the Joker Doctrine: <em>If you kill 'im, he won't learn nothin'.</em></p>
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yabut executed convicts have the lowest recidivism rate, no?</p>
 

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<p>My issue is always what exactly are you trying to teach them by not executing them.   If, as some people like to say, letting them think about it the rest of their lives is worse than death, why have so few ever requested the death penalty for their crime(s)?   I think it's a crime when we permit people to live decades after they ended the lives of an innocent person(s) being fed, clothed, given medical attention when they need it as well as legal services - none of which is available to their victim(s).<br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1949322"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Recovering DP supporter here. I now subscribe to the Joker Doctrine: <em>If you kill 'im, he won't learn nothin'.</em></p>
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<p>Plus what Dan said.</p>
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<p>God is the final judge in the matter but I did not see any reason to spare her the death penalty on earth.</p>
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<p>yar<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GaReb770</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70299/theresa-lewis-executed#post_1949339"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p> If, as some people like to say, letting them think about it the rest of their lives is worse than death,<br>
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<p>If some people actually believe this, then they are idiots.<br>
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