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<p>whaddaya think?</p>
 

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<p>I think it relates strictly to fears on the economy.  If we were not in a prolonged recession with no end in sight the tea party would have been simply a footnote.  Whether or not the tea party will be able to gain enough seats for the Republicans to take over the House and/or Senate in November remains to be seen.</p>
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<p>It's somewhat hard to nail down exactly what a tea party Congress would mean as the definition of being a conservative is different from tea party member to member.  Some are more socially liberal than others and could care less about gays, abortion and other traditional conservative social issues.  Other tea party members claim to be "Ronald Reagan" conservatives and we will have to wait to see what they mean by that.</p>
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<p>Certainly the November elections are going to be interesting. </p>
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<p>The best way to see the tea party movement is that people are truly looking for "change" which is what propelled Obama to office.   The problem for Democrats and regular Republicans is there has been very little change since Bush left office, when it comes to the economy so people are looking to shift gears.</p>
 

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<p>Well, with all the publicity that the tea party has gotten, they must have been pretty peaceful gatherings.  I mean when the NAACP literally announces that they will be looking for rascist activity...........and well, maybe I haven't been listening to the right stations (I listen to CNN and FOX on the radio) but I haven't heard of anything.    However, I wonder if that would be because the Democrats are quiet only because they see the tea party as splitting the Republican party and this would be good for them.</p>
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<p>Personally, I'm in a quandary.  We have long-standing democrats in my state.  I want change, but having a Senator with lots of time and pull does bode well for a state. </p>
 

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I think people are looking for change to the extent that they have a lack of confidence in the economy, the direction it is headed, and a general lack of guidance by either major party as to what the electorate is looking for.   People that have not struggled in past economic downturns are struggling greatly now.  In past recessions the light at the end of the tunnel came fairly quickly especially for people with good job skills - financial services, legal services, construction, and even educational jobs.  Today people are in a quandry.  Although not talked about much, even the health care industry has not been immune to layoffs in this economy.  People want to know that they can look 5, 10, 15 years into the future and feel secure.  That security for the first time in my lifetime is simply not there for a lot of people.  They do not feel comfortable with the direction we are currently headed so yes, they are looking for some changes.  Some of the changes that Obama came in with were fine, but others simply have not worked and their appears to be a stubborness on the part of Democrats and Republicans to make the needed changes that people are comfortable with their future.<br>
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<p>This is how I interepret it too.  It's kind of the quarterback on the bench mentality - if your starter is sucking, the guy on the bench is a great alternative.  Until they get in there and prove why they were on the bench in the first place.<br><br>
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All politicians suck. Democrats AND Republicans. I'm sure the Tea Party people will suck too. Hopefully they'll at least steal less of my money while they're sucking...</div>
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<p>I think people are finally waking up to the fact that establishment politics mostly serves the establishment. A grassroots movement away from the center is more pronounced on the right because the Republicans are not in power. Democrats have too much to lose right now to go off the reservation but they were plenty radical during W's term.</p>
 

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<p>Since hardly anybody wants to admit to being either a Democrat or a Republican these days, they're both fighting for the "independents".  Can some of these tea partiers who were running to the right of the GOP establishment appeal to the middle?  Or will they just replicate their primary vote totals?  I think it will largely depend on whether the American electorate ( or the 20% that vote, anyway) walk into the polling place "mad" or if they've had time to take a breath and say, "do I really want him/her in congress?"  It's hard to stay that mad that long.  something else (bad) is going to have to happen next month for the TPs to prosper.</p>
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<p>I don't like this... stamp your feet...I'll support this guy, instead.</p>
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<p>repeat ad nauseum...</p>
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<p>Karl Rove does not like O'Donnell, so she can't be too bad. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/lol.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;" title=""></p>
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<p><a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/" target="_blank">http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/</a></p>
 

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Hopefully they'll at least steal less of my money while they're sucking...</div>
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This is my hope when dealing with prostitutes as well</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GaReb770</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70129/teaparty-candidates-won-some-key-gop-races-what-does-this-say-for-november#post_1945505"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Karl Rove does not like O'Donnell, so she can't be too bad. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/lol.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;" title=""></p>
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<p>I lost what little respect for O'Donnell I had after she ambushed Magnum PI<br>
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<p>partial post of an article/discussion I found about the teaparty wins</p>
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<p><b>Then we have the new phenomenon of candidates winning their primaries, but not willing to debate their opponents. There are a lot of them, so I’ll just name a few:</b></p>
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<p><b>Rick Perry (R) doesn’t want to debate Bill White (D)</b></p>
<p><b>Jan Brewer (R) doesn’t want to debate Terry Goddard (D)</b></p>
<p><b>John McCain (R) doesn’t want to debate Rodney Glassman (D)</b></p>
<p><b>Linda McMahon (R) doesn’t want to debate Richard Blumenthal (D)</b></p>
<p><b>Chuck Grassley (R) doesn’t want to debate Roxanne Conlin (D)</b></p>
<p><b>Rand Paul (R) doesn’t want to debate Jack Conway (D)</b></p>
<p><b>Sharron Angle (R) doesn’t want to debate Harry Reid (D)</b></p>
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<p><b>You don’t have to look very closely, but the conservative Republicans do not want to debate the Democrats. The Tea Partiers are willing to intimidate and threaten Tom Ross, but not willing to debate opposing Democrats. It’s much like FR. No insightful debate, no ideas, just repress opposing thoughts by whatever means possible, including efforts to collapse rational posts.</b></p>
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<p><b>Actually Republican Senator Bob Bennett is correct. The Tea Party has only slogans and slogans do not equate to a governing</b></p>
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<p><b>full link below</b></p>
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<p><b><strong><a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/15/5114893-first-thoughts-the-purge-inside-the-gop" target="_blank">http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/15/5114893-first-thoughts-the-purge-inside-the-gop</a></strong></b></p>
 

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<p>I'm very anti-teaparty and biased against them ... this guys viewpoints are basically mine  ... these people scare the hell outta me, as anybody wanting to deregulate business practices while doing away with long-standing social support systems concurrently  ...</p>
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<p>another copy/paste ...  endure it at your own risk  <img alt=";-)" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies//wink.gif" title=";-)"></p>
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<p>This is not unlike the aftermath of the massive Republican loss in 1976, when some pundits predicted the demise of the GOP. That time, Reagan spent the next 4 years cultivating the right wing's Libertarian and religious factions. This time, the Tea Party shows a theme fused of again, Libertarians, religious fundamentalists - and more than a trace of the ideology of the militia movements.</p>
<p>Their mish-mash of concepts is all <em>anti-government</em>. Little of what they say is new. Their concept of "governing" is to STOP governing:</p>
<ol><li>close down a major portion of the Federal apparatus,</li>
<li>wipe out a vast segment of regulatory oversight,</li>
<li>close down the IRS and impose either a nationwide ad valorum tax (basically a sales tax), or set in place a flat tax,</li>
<li>eliminate inheritance and capital gains taxes entirely,</li>
<li>relinquish most Federal authority to the states (a resurrection of the issue once settled by the Civil War),</li>
<li>if not halt all immigration then make immigration legally nearly impossible,</li>
<li>displace millions of undocumented immigrants through mass roundups and deportations,</li>
<li>impose an "official English" regime and eliminate as far as possible the use of other languages in at least any government operations (including public schools, while they still exist)</li>
<li>cut off all foreign aid,</li>
<li>force the U.N. to relocate abroad and drop out of the U.N.,</li>
<li>privatize almost all public functions, from schools to highways, including the Public health Service,</li>
<li>and of course cut off all public social programs including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, WIC, Aid for Families with Dependent Children, Head Start, all public housing programs, and all government subsidies including those for agriculture</li>
</ol><p>Not EVERY Tea Party person agrees with each point just listed, of course. This is a compilation of the different positions taken by various candidates - Rand Paul is one of the more extreme, while Sharron Angle has backed away from prior support of just about everything on the list. Dan Quayle's son is right in there, however, and Michelle Bachman is nearly a 100 per cent supporter.</p>
<p>Naturally, the agenda just listed takes as a given that virtually everything done during the Obama Administration would be wholly unrolled. It also, ironically, unrolls a great many important programs and reforms created by the Republican Party between 1880 and 1912. These include creating the Civil Service system to replace a very corrupt structure of Federal appointments (not that vary many Federal appointments would still exist). And, of course, the Tea Party agenda would essentially wipe out labor laws, union rights, and such niggling matters as minimum wage laws.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the Tea Party agenda could lead to the complete dissolution of the United States. It will lead to massive unemployment, collapse of the middle class, a near-feudal class structure, poverty on a scale not seen since Jacob Riis documented it in the early 1900's, the end of any concept of Civil Rights and equality, starvation and death and homelessness greater than that of the Great Depression, and violent civil disorder.</p>
<p>The kind of America the Tea Party desires to "take back" is a largely rural and agrarian America of the 1840's - which of course today cannot realistically ever be re-created.</p>
<p>It is vital that candidates opposing the various Tea Party nominees explain these things to their constituents. It is understandable that the nation is frustrated and fed up - the years of collapse and conflict since Bush brought on a global crisis have been filled with fear and suffering. They are NOTHING like the disaster that awaits if even a portion of the Tea Party agenda is ever instituted.</p>
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<p>****  I've been terrified of this sort of thing since hearing John Ashcroft and Pat Robertson talk on behalf of Bush II while he was running for his first term in office ... trying to quell the hate-talking of Bush backers for fear they'd hurt his chances at getting elected .... not because good Christians shouldn't be spouting hate  ... not because religion and gov't are supposed to be separate entities ... this seems like an American 'unholy war' taking place to me</p>
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<p><b>Then we have the new phenomenon of candidates winning their primaries, but not willing to debate their opponents.</b></p>
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<p>There's nothing "new" about this.  Favorites never want to debate the underdog because they have nothing to gain from it.  It's been like this for as long I've been following politics, and I reckon it's been like this for as long as there have been election debates...</p>
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<p>"This is a compilation of the different positions taken by various candidates"</p>
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<p>I'm sure that if I had the time (or cared enough) I could come up with a "compilation" of positions that showed MLK as a child rapist and socialist</p>
 

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that's why I posted the link  ... it's a comments section on discussion about the teaparty wins yesterday  ...</p>
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<p>If I remember correctly (or cared enough to do the research), it was debunked at that time as a hit / scare piece put out by some anonymous blogger?</p>
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