TdF - question

dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

I'm a TdF newbie.
 
Is it wrong to pass someone when their bike breaks down? (yes, this is in another forum here...but not knowing shvt about bike racing I thought I'd ask it here).
 
I'm very confused. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/confused.gif" style="width:16px;height:21px;" title="">

Grizzly · Jul 20, 2010

There's an unwritten rule that the yellow jacket holder gets cut a bit of slack. Yesterday on the hill Contador passed the yellow jacket holder and by his admission he didn't know that there was a mechanical problem until the group he was with had passed.

mrscoby78 · Jul 20, 2010

From what I gather, some consider it wrong, because Contador didn't beat Shlek based on his cycling ability. He took a cheap shot. A sucker punch, if you will.

dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

It's a race shvt happens. Maybe his bike broke because he didn't shift properly.
 
Should the NASCAR guys pull over next time the points leaders car breaks. Weird.

mrscoby78 · Jul 20, 2010

That's kind of what I thought too. But cycling has it's own unwritten rules and culture and such. I don't necessarily get it, but that's what it is apparently.
 
I with you though. I wouldn't stop in a race if someone's shoe came untied. *shrug* 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by dg1 <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924152"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> It's a race shvt happens. Maybe his bike broke because he didn't shift properly.
 
Should the NASCAR guys pull over next time the points leaders car breaks. Weird.
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dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

But apparently it's not against the rules.
 
And even if it was truly mechanical...there's still a team of guys behind that rider thats to supposed to ensure this shvt doesn't happen. It's a team sport. Someone screwed up, why should you stop and wait until it's fixed?

mrscoby78 · Jul 20, 2010

I'm not claiming to fully understand it. I'm just relaying what was explained to me.
 
But yeah, somebody would be getting fired for that shit. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by dg1 <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924161"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> But apparently it's not against the rules.
 
And even if it was truly mechanical...there's still a team of guys behind that rider thats to supposed to ensure this shvt doesn't happen. It's a team sport. Someone screwed up, why should you stop and wait until it's fixed?
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dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

Sorry, my comment wasn't directed at the messenger...it just has me scratching my head thats all. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by mrscoby78 <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924168"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> I'm not claiming to fully understand it. I'm just relaying what was explained to me.
 
But yeah, somebody would be getting fired for that shit. 

 
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Grizzly · Jul 20, 2010

It happened twice when Lance was making surges during his sting of (HONEST, I DIDN'T CHEAT) wins. Both times he was behind and both times he held up while the leader got back in stride. Both times he then cleaned the guy's clock.

Mrtambalynman · Jul 20, 2010

a few years ago Lance went down because he hooked a spectator's bag while he was the GC leader (yellow jersey) and the peloton waited for him.

wherestheportojohn · Jul 20, 2010

the sporting thing to do:
[2001] lance stopped and waited for jan ulrich when ulrich did an endo over a road rail during a descent

dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

But...but...I presume he did an endo over the railing while leading and trying to preserve his lead...so he blitzes the downhill, loses control, and you're now supposed to wait for him....it just doesn't compute. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by wherestheportojohn <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924288"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> the sporting thing to do:
[2001] lance stopped and waited for jan ulrich when ulrich did an endo over a road rail during a descent
 
 
 
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Mrtambalynman · Jul 20, 2010

I believe that Lance was the GC leader at the time of that event, but Lance didn't want to cheapen his victory of Jan by taking advantage of his miscalculation. Was that the same year Beloki crashed? 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by dg1 <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924295"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> But...but...I presume he did an endo over the railing while leading and trying to preserve his lead...so he blitzes the downhill, loses control, and you're now supposed to wait for him....it just doesn't compute. 

 
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dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

That just doesn't compute.
 
The guy went for it. Props to him. He crashed trying. Why is it bad form to ride on???? 
ETA - I mean how long does this back and forth stopping and waiting for each other to recover from some misfortune stop? Granted finishing with everyone upright is great but isn't misfortune and miscalculation part of racing?????
 
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by Mrtambalynman <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924302"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> 
I believe that Lance was the GC leader at the time of that event, but Lance didn't want to cheapen his victory of Jan by taking advantage of his miscalculation. Was that the same year Beloki crashed? 

 
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Mrtambalynman · Jul 20, 2010

Well it is a French race.

I think its all about sportsmanship. Winning because of a mechanical is not considered honourable. Its like in the WW1 where the pilots initially wouldn't fire on an opponent who's guns had jammed. 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by dg1 <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924319"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> That just doesn't compute.
 
The guy went for it. Props to him. He crashed trying. Why is it bad form to ride on???? 
ETA - I mean how long does this back and forth stopping and waiting for each other to recover from some misfortune stop? Granted finishing with everyone upright is great but isn't misfortune and miscalculation part of racing?????
 
 
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dg1 · Jul 20, 2010

I get the sportsmanship thing but it's not against the rules either. And even so, a guy takes his best shot and crashes...I'm now supposed to wait for him to collect himself and give him another chance??? Say he crashes again or his bike breaks? How many chances does he get to pass me???? I really just don't get it. I'm not French.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by Mrtambalynman <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924326"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> Well it is a French race.

I think its all about sportsmanship. Winning because of a mechanical is not considered honourable. Its like in the WW1 where the pilots initially wouldn't fire on an opponent who's guns had jammed. 

 
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Mrtambalynman · Jul 20, 2010

this is why some people cheered and some people jeered. its not clear against the rules, but its against the sprit (at least for some people).

wherestheportojohn · Jul 20, 2010

Enough of this neener neener cheater shit.
 
I just wanna massage their muscular, and smoothly shaved, thighs. 
 
<swoon>

Doctor Wu · Jul 21, 2010

There are a lot of sports with unwritten codes of honor. But the TDF is special. The gentlemanly attitude is I want to beat you based on my ability vs. yours, not based on your misfortune. And there is a long tradition of cutting the yellow jersey wearer some slack.
 
Contador was three bike lengths behind Schleck when Andy dropped his chain. Contador clearly saw what happened and for him to say he didn't see it was basically a lie. He saw it and his instant decision was to take advantage. If Contador wins the Tour it will be perfectly legal but it will be a tainted victory from the standpoint of sportsmanship.

PepeCorsica · Jul 21, 2010

I feel bad for the guy.
But that's nothing... take a look at what Renshaw (australian) did to this other guy.
here's the link: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8VLgLX7AM" style="color:rgb(1,108,169);" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8VLgLX7AM</a>
he got disqualified. But Cavendish made it. Thanks buddy!
He was just here to let cavendish make it to the first place.

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