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<p>I'm a TdF newbie.</p>
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<p>Is it wrong to pass someone when their bike breaks down?  (yes, this is in another forum here...but not knowing shvt about bike racing I thought I'd ask it here).</p>
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<p>I'm very confused.  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/confused.gif" style="width:16px;height:21px;" title=""></p>
 

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<p>There's an unwritten rule that the yellow jacket holder gets cut a bit of slack.  Yesterday on the hill Contador passed the yellow jacket holder and by his admission he didn't know that there was a mechanical problem until the group he was with had passed.</p>
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<p>It's a race shvt happens.  Maybe his bike broke because he didn't shift properly.</p>
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<p>Should the NASCAR guys pull over next time the points leaders car breaks.  Weird.</p>
 

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<p>That's kind of what I thought too.  But cycling has it's own unwritten rules and culture and such.  I don't necessarily get it, but that's what it is apparently.</p>
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<p>I with you though.  I wouldn't stop in a race if someone's shoe came untied.  *shrug*<br><br>
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<p>Should the NASCAR guys pull over next time the points leaders car breaks.  Weird.</p>
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<p>But apparently it's not against the rules.</p>
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<p>And even if it was truly mechanical...there's still a team of guys behind that rider thats to supposed to ensure this shvt doesn't happen.  It's a team sport.  Someone screwed up, why should you stop and wait until it's fixed?</p>
 

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<p>I'm not claiming to fully understand it.  I'm just relaying what was explained to me.</p>
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<p>But yeah, somebody would be getting fired for that shit. <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>dg1</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924161"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>But apparently it's not against the rules.</p>
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<p>And even if it was truly mechanical...there's still a team of guys behind that rider thats to supposed to ensure this shvt doesn't happen.  It's a team sport.  Someone screwed up, why should you stop and wait until it's fixed?</p>
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<p>Sorry, my comment wasn't directed at the messenger...it just has me scratching my head thats all.<br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mrscoby78</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924168"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I'm not claiming to fully understand it.  I'm just relaying what was explained to me.</p>
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<p>But yeah, somebody would be getting fired for that shit. <br><br>
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<p>It happened twice when Lance was making surges during his sting of (HONEST, I DIDN'T CHEAT) wins.  Both times he was behind and both times he held up while the leader got back in stride.  Both times he then cleaned the guy's clock.</p>
 

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<p>the sporting thing to do:</p>
<p>[2001] lance stopped and waited for jan ulrich when ulrich did an endo over a road rail during a descent</p>
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<p>But...but...I presume he did an endo over the railing while leading and trying to preserve his lead...so he blitzes the downhill, loses control, and you're now supposed to wait for him....it just doesn't compute.<br><br>
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<p>[2001] lance stopped and waited for jan ulrich when ulrich did an endo over a road rail during a descent</p>
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I believe that Lance was the GC leader at the time of that event, but Lance didn't want to cheapen his victory of Jan by taking advantage of his miscalculation.  Was that the same year Beloki crashed?<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>dg1</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68966/tdf-question#post_1924295"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>But...but...I presume he did an endo over the railing while leading and trying to preserve his lead...so he blitzes the downhill, loses control, and you're now supposed to wait for him....it just doesn't compute.<br><br>
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<p>That just doesn't compute.</p>
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<p>The guy went for it.  Props to him.  He crashed trying.  Why is it bad form to ride on????<br><br>
ETA - I mean how long does this back and forth stopping and waiting for each other to recover from some misfortune stop?  Granted finishing with everyone upright is great but isn't misfortune and miscalculation part of racing?????</p>
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I believe that Lance was the GC leader at the time of that event, but Lance didn't want to cheapen his victory of Jan by taking advantage of his miscalculation.  Was that the same year Beloki crashed?<br>
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<p>Well it is a French race.  :D </p>
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<p>I think its all about sportsmanship.  Winning because of a mechanical is not considered honourable.  Its like in the WW1 where the pilots initially wouldn't fire on an opponent who's guns had jammed.<br><br>
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<p>The guy went for it.  Props to him.  He crashed trying.  Why is it bad form to ride on????<br><br>
ETA - I mean how long does this back and forth stopping and waiting for each other to recover from some misfortune stop?  Granted finishing with everyone upright is great but isn't misfortune and miscalculation part of racing?????</p>
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<p>I get the sportsmanship thing but it's not against the rules either.  And even so, a guy takes his best shot and crashes...I'm now supposed to wait for him to collect himself and give him another chance???  Say he crashes again or his bike breaks?  How many chances does he get to pass me????  I really just don't get it.  I'm not French.</p>
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<p>I think its all about sportsmanship.  Winning because of a mechanical is not considered honourable.  Its like in the WW1 where the pilots initially wouldn't fire on an opponent who's guns had jammed.<br><br>
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<p>Enough of this neener neener cheater shit.</p>
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<p>I just wanna massage their muscular, and smoothly shaved, thighs. </p>
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<p>There are a lot of sports with unwritten codes of honor.  But the TDF is special.  The gentlemanly attitude is I want to beat you based on my ability vs. yours, not based on your misfortune.  And there is a long tradition of cutting the yellow jersey wearer some slack.</p>
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<p>Contador was three bike lengths behind Schleck when Andy dropped his chain.  Contador clearly saw what happened and for him to say he didn't see it was basically a lie.  He saw it and his instant decision was to take advantage.  If Contador wins the Tour it will be perfectly legal but it will be a tainted victory from the standpoint of sportsmanship.<br>
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<p>I feel bad for the guy.</p>
<p>But that's nothing... take a look at what Renshaw (australian) did to this other guy.</p>
<p>here's the link: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8VLgLX7AM" style="color:rgb(1,108,169);" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8VLgLX7AM</a></p>
<p>he got disqualified. But Cavendish made it. Thanks buddy!</p>
<p>He was just here to let cavendish make it to the first place.</p>
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