TCU

Brutal · Dec 12, 2010

Oh hell yes, give us Utah vs Boise State.......WHY????????????? Boise lost a game because of a field goal kicker. They need to be in with some SEC team. Utah needs to be in with some Big 12 team. How else can we settle this...."the little guys can't...".....well?
 
TCU is right where they should be. Wisconsin is big and powerful. If the Horned Frogs can get by them, score one for the little guys. Then again people forget that TCU did play in the old SWC. They were one of the big boys.
 
I can see TCU hanging tuff for about two and half quarters. Then the size and power of a much larger Badger team should start wearing them down. Those 2/3 yard runs start becoming 5/6 yard yard gashs. TCU is punting more, so here comes that D back out there. Now the Badgers are in a constant third and short. I do hope I'm wrong and TCU can find some way to win the game. I always like the little guy with the sling shot.
 
Oregon vs Auburn....? 
 
A Pac10 team that can run with an SEC team...cool! If the Ducks play as they can (will any of these teams with 30 some days off accomplish that?) they should be in the game. It's pretty even, and I hate to play that weakass..."whoever protects the ball"....but I think it will come down to who makes the least mistakes. I do think playing in Arizona does help Oregon a bit.
 
NFL
 
Right now it's looking like an Atlanta Falcons vs New England Pats Superbowl. Which would mean another ring for the Pats. Too many Pats that know how to play in that game vs too few Falcons with that experience

GaReb770 · Dec 13, 2010

I think you're just jumping on the bandwagon. Outside of a missed field goal by the Saints the Falcons and Saints would be reversed in the NFC South standings. The Monday night game on Dec 27 between the Falcons and Saints may very well be a barn burner and determine which team wins the NFC South, assuming both teams win their game next week. Even if the Saints were to end up as the wildcard team I think they have a good chance of repeating as NFC Champs and beating the lowly NE Patsy team.
 
If the Falcons do prevail I will support them over NE. But I will NOT wear red and black. 

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Right now it's looking like an Atlanta Falcons vs New England Pats Superbowl. Which would mean another ring for the Pats. Too many Pats that know how to play in that game vs too few Falcons with that experience
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jcumming · Dec 13, 2010

I am a big Boise State fan, but the fact is that it wouldn't have made any difference if they had kicked the 26 yard field goal to beat Nevada and go 12-0.
 
TCU would still have been ahead of them and Auburn and Oregon would still be playing for the championship.
 
It really would have been nice to see them play someone like Oklahoma, Nebraska, or LSU or Michigan State.
The triumvirate of Utah, TCU and BSU take too many turns playing one another.
 
I think your take on TCU-Wisconsin is good, but I could see either team with a couple of turnovers and big offensive plays turn it into a rout.
 
Five times I saw Auburn play and four times I saw Oregon. I'd love to see Oregon win, but in my mind I see Auburn as being better.
 
NFL? If it's a snowy field for the Superbowl load up on Tom Brady. <img alt="hello2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/hello2.gif" style="width:25px;height:27px;">

Brutal · Dec 13, 2010

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I think you're just jumping on the bandwagon. Outside of a missed field goal by the Saints the Falcons and Saints would be reversed in the NFC South standings. The Monday night game on Dec 27 between the Falcons and Saints may very well be a barn burner and determine which team wins the NFC South, assuming both teams win their game next week. Even if the Saints were to end up as the wildcard team I think they have a good chance of repeating as NFC Champs and beating the lowly NE Patsy team.
 
If the Falcons do prevail I will support them over NE. But I will NOT wear red and black. 

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Right now it's looking like an Atlanta Falcons vs New England Pats Superbowl. Which would mean another ring for the Pats. Too many Pats that know how to play in that game vs too few Falcons with that experience
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I did say..."right now"...which is very true. The Falcons were beaten by the Steelers and the Eagles on the road while the Saints lost to Cleveland at home and these Falcons. How else can you see it? The Falcons have Seattle and Carolina left, there's two more wins. They have the Saints at home on a Monday night as you mentioned. The Saints have a road game vs Baltimore, that just prior to that Monday nighter. They finish up with Tampa Bay. So it does look like a Wild Card will be their fate.
 
I'm not a Falcons fan at all I'm just going with what we've seen ....."so far".
 
If the Saints did make it to the Superbowl and that is a very real possibility, I do doubt they beat "this" Pats team.

Brutal · Dec 13, 2010

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TCU would still have been ahead of them and Auburn and Oregon would still be playing for the championship.
 
It really would have been nice to see them play someone like Oklahoma, Nebraska, or LSU or Michigan State.
The triumvirate of Utah, TCU and BSU take too many turns playing one another.
 
I think your take on TCU-Wisconsin is good, but I could see either team with a couple of turnovers and big offensive plays turn it into a rout.
 
Five times I saw Auburn play and four times I saw Oregon. I'd love to see Oregon win, but in my mind I see Auburn as being better.
 
NFL? If it's a snowy field for the Superbowl load up on Tom Brady. <img alt="hello2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/hello2.gif" style="width:25px;height:27px;">
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I realize that Boise wasn't going to play for the title regardless of what they did but to play another "little guy" .....sucks! Put them in with one of those you mentioned. Let's see how they do vs the big guys. Yes I remember that Oklahoma game, best football game I've ever seen. Can they do it again?
 
I can't see TCU routing Wisconsin under any circumstances. If there is a rout......
 
I can't disagree with your Auburn opinion. As we know those SEC teams are in tuff pretty much every week, that can't be said about Pac10 teams. However with that ridiculous lay off and the game being played at a Pac10 site.............hmmm?
 
Watched Villanova beat Appalachian State in the quarterfinals of the Div II playoffs over the weekend. Now that's how things are done.

hazelrah · Dec 13, 2010

That missed field goal was HUGE for Boise State. They would not be in the title game, but they would be in a BCS game and not the Bumblef*ck Bowl in Bismarck North Dakota on December 1x against Utah, or wherever they got exiled to. I was hoping for Boise State vs. Michigan State too. I think MSU would win and would like to have seen proof either way.
 
As it stands, I think Michigan State got one of the worst draws possible. Florida weather on Janaury 1 is about the only positive I see. Alabama is talented enough to go unbeaten, they just did not get it done. They had Auburn beat and one more score instead of a turnover when up 24-0 and allot of things change. I never like to play underrated teams, which I think Alabama is. It is a no win game for the Spartans. If they win, the national talk will be about how Alabama did not take it seriously because they wanted to be in a bigger bowl but did not get the job done. Else the Spartans get beat. The Spartans had the same record as Ohio State and Wisconsin, beat Wisconsin head to head, and had a tougher overall schedule then either team. However I get why they were rated lower lower, The marquee game was against Iowa they did not show up at all, and that loss could count 2. Also some rather unimpressive wins against Big Ten also rans when Wisconsin ran up the scroe against them was huge too (they did not do good in the "eye ball test" or style points). 
 
How about one BCS team (Big East champ, 4 loss Connecticut) got destroyed by Big Ten doormat Michigan 30-10 this year ? Yea, the BCS is working just fine <img alt="icon_scratch.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_scratch.gif">...
 
I agree the Falcons are good but they must see the (defending champ) Saints in the rear view mirror with the message "images in the mirror are closer then they appear". I also will not be shocked to see the Eagles make some noise in the playoffs. It hard to some up with an argument where the Patriots are not big favorites in the AFC. But anything can happen as was proven again in the Superbowl with the 18-0 Patriots a couple of years ago.
 
The biggest news for the NFL this week, LIONS WIN ! LIONS WIN !

gatorbob · Dec 13, 2010

Boise sure did take a huge fall. If they hit that field goal, they'd be playing a BCS game in January. Instead, they are playing before Christmas in a game that nobody will watch. 
 
As for Boise not playing a school from an AQ conference... I don't know if they planned on it that way, or if they had to. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bids_to_college_bowl_games" target="_blank">Here's a page</a> on the conference tie-ins to various bowls. Boise ended in a first place tie in the MWC (at 7-1) with Nevada and Hawaii, and I don't know how they determine who was first, or if they even bothered. But here are where the top MWC teams could go:
 
Las Vegas Bowl MWC #1 vs Pac-10 #4/5
Poinsettia Bowl MWC #2 vs Navy
New Mexico Bowl MWC #3/4 vs WAC #2
Armed Forced Bowl MWC #3/4 or Army vs C-USA #3 or Army
 
Boise ended up in the Las Vegas Bowl, so I guess that was the best they could do. But their opponent isn't from the Pac 10. And maybe that's because only 4 teams from the Pac-10 are playing in bowl games. (Oregon in the champ game, Stanford in the Orange Bowl, Washington in the Holiday Bowl, and Arizona in the Alamo bowl). USC had enough wins, but they are bowl ineligible this year. The only other team with 6 wins in the Pac-10 was Arizona State, who finished 6-6. But they're not in a bowl game. I didn't dig deep enough to find out why. Maybe they had a win against a I-AA team and had used that I-AA exemption in a recent year. Nonetheless, it seems as though the opponent in the Las Vegas Bowl couldn't be a Pac-10 team. So they did the next-best thing they could, and they chose a team that will soon be in the Pac-10...

jcumming · Dec 13, 2010

I don't think Boise State would be playing in a BCS game even if they were 12-0.
 
They would have been rated #4....TCU was #3. 
NOBODY had to take them at #4, once TCU had been an automatic.
 
Rose Bowl was an automatic Wisconsin vs TCU
 
Sugar Bowl will takes the first available SEC team ...Arkansas
 
If you believe they'd have picked Boise State over Ohio State then you don't get that there is $$$$ invilved
 
Orange Bowl...Florida State is in....I'm guessing they'd rather have Stanford than Boise State (see $$$$ above...also Stanford has a touch more prestige and cachet than BSU)
 
Fiesta Bowl....Oklahoma is automatic, UConn is automatic (AQ...Fiesta Bowl has last choice so they get stuck with UConn, the dog in the mix)
 
Now that would have truly sucked....#4, unbeaten and still go to the Rubber Boot Bowl in Akron on a Wednesday in mid-December.

mmoonptdeux · Dec 13, 2010

Actually, it would've been the reverse - had Boise beaten Nevada (a ranked team), their computer profile would've shot them over TCU and TCU would probably be playing elsewhere (most likely the Dallas Football Classic (huh?) or the Sun Bowl in El Paso)
 
As far as the NFL, who knows. Out of the four teams with the best records, the Pats look the best right now, but remember they got blitzed by the Browns a few weeks back. The Saints seem to be getting all their players healthy just in time for the playoffs. The Falcons are winning, but they're not blowing away anyone of import. Pittsburgh has all sorts of O-line issues at the moment.
 
Out of the 4-loss teams, Philadelphia seems to be the most dangerous of the bunch.
 
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They would have been rated #4....TCU was #3. 
NOBODY had to take them at #4, once TCU had been an automatic.
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hazelrah · Dec 13, 2010

I thought Boise was projected to leap over TCU had they won that game. Other then that, hard to argue with your logic. I was thinking Boise might slip into Alabama's spot in the Citrus Bowl against MSU, or punish the Big Ten for not having a Championship game and put Ohio State there against MSU, and Boise takes Ohio State's spot. Either is better then what Boise wound up with. Personally I think Ohio State would crush Boise State if they played, but Boise State deserves the right to prove people like me wrong. I think allot of people would like to see Boise State vs. Ohio State after the OSU president shot his mouth off a couple of weeks ago. Even no defense Michigan got a New Year's day bowl over Boise State ? I don't find anything compelling about Boise State vs. Utah.

jcumming · Dec 13, 2010

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 I would have thought that too,especially as a BSU fan, however several of the BCS statsnerd sites and a couple of shows I watched on TV indicated that TCU would have still been marginally ahead of Boise State. It was too geeky for me to follow and I'm not sure anybody but the computers would have known. Those two would have been very close.
 
Anyway Boise State were authors or their own demise. This avoided either them or TCU from being booted in the nuts after a great undefeated season.

gatorbob · Dec 13, 2010

Last year, Boise and TCU both made BCS games, even though it didn't have to happen. Only one of them was gauranteed a BCS spot, and the other was chosen as an at-large team. I don't know why it would be any different this year...

mmoonptdeux · Dec 13, 2010

In semi-related news, the Big Ten announced their new divisions (not your typical east v. west or north v. south)
 
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5915147" target="_blank">Big Ten Divisions: Legends and Leaders</a>
 
And the new logo leaves something to be desired, IMHO
 
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jcumming · Dec 13, 2010

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Well the two choices would have been to leave out either Ohio State or Stanford.. I could be completely wrong, but if I'm on a bowl committee and my choices are two of:
 
Boise State, Ohio State, or Stanford I'm taking 2 reds over blue and orange any day of the week, especially with Stanford playing a really exciting brand of football.
 
Maybe the Orange Bowl would have taken Boise (or TCU depending how they finished) over Stanford because they are honourable and would rather have the higher ranked team. My gut says no.

gatorbob · Dec 13, 2010

Actually, I think Stanford was gauranteed a BCS spot because they finished in the Top 4. So I think the choice would be between OSU or BSU. 
 
Yeah, Ohio St is a much bigger team with a much bigger fan base who travels much better. But the bowls can't always take the big schools. I think if BSU was undefeated, it would be very hard for the BCS to pass them up. It's not like they're a complete unknown. Everybody has been talking about them all year. Plus, the screams would be defeaning if they went undefeated and got left out. I think the BCS would be under tremendous pressure to take them.
 
But I guess we'll never know...

gatorbob · Dec 13, 2010

Scratch what I said about Stanford in the top 4. If Boise had remained undefeated, they would have been #4 and Stanford would have been #5. But I think Boise woudn't get the top 4 gaurantee because they are in a non-AQ conference.
 
So you're right, the choice would be between OSU, BSU and Stanford, two of the three. I still do think that there would be a lot of pressure to take BSU. And yeah, in the battle for the other spot, I think OSU would win over Stanford because Stanford doesn't travel well. So in that scenario I think Stanford would be left out, stuck in the Holiday Bowl or something. But again, we'll never know...

jcumming · Dec 14, 2010

You are probably right about undefeated Boise over Stanford because they had been the media Cinderella darlings all season.
 
Dumbass field goal kicker.
 
...of course his last pressure kick was...ummm.............ummm.............never
 
After that I'd have been sick if one or both of Auburn and Oregon really tanked one.

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