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So last week was the first time since November I have been able to ride outside. During the winter my position changed. I now have an awesome aero position, and I develop lots of power in it, and i'm comfortable in it except for my neck. I've trained all winter in it and now that I go outside I realize I can't see the horizon when i'm going down the road. I can just barely get my get my neck up to actually see but after about 5 minutes my neck muscles go into spasms.<br><br>
My bike is a converted Specialized Roubaix.<br><br>
I've been trying to figure out just what I should do. I've tried raising the stack height but then i'm back into sort of a road/tri hybrid position where it is not comfortable to be in aero and not comfortable to be in the drops.<br><br>
Oh, also i've got a wicked speed wobble in descents. above 25mph the thing is almost uncontrollable when i'm in my tri bars. Any help, suggestions, etc. would be really appreciated.
 

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Not sure about the neck issue, but for the speed wobble I've found it helps tremendously to squeeze the top tube with your knees.
 

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I’ve heard road cycling compared to sitting in a chair and staring up at the ceiling for hours. Would possibly lengthening the distance between you saddle and handlebars help? Maybe use a stem with a longer neck on it and slide the seat back a little.<br><br>
As far as the wobble…if the wheel is true, that could be a result of an improperly seated inner tube.<br><br>
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Ok,<br>
I've got a short video of me on the bike here:<br><br><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jBbbUBsAsGg" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=jBbbUBsAsGg</a>
 

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Hm. Form looks pretty good to me. Maybe you just need a bigger bike (whatta ya got there, 2.5 feet of seatpost???) (says the 5'7" guy riding a 54 cm bike with 650 wheels)
 

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Yah, it's hard to find bikes that can can accommodate all 6 foot 7 inches of me. In standard road frame I need a 64, thats a 61.
 

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Your seat is toooo high <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
Anyway, I also got that problem after not riding outside for a while. Went away after a few workouts. I think that indoor you're not looking up and forward all the time, you feel comfortable just looking down. On the road, you look a lot farther, and this might strain your neck (on the trainer, I guess when it hurt you involuntarily lowered your head). Maybe do a few more rides, and see if it goes away.
 

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like it should be lowered or like how in the world did you find a seat post that long?<img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
Yah, It may be that I just lost those muscles over the winter staring at the TV during my workouts.<br><br>
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Have any of you guys noticed your BB flexing when the bike is the trainer? I always see it moving to the left and right of the centerline a lot and am wondering if this just a byproduct of fixing the rear wheel so that the bike doesn't oscillate with each pedal stroke. I haven't yet put my Look KG196(just about the stiffest BB you can get) on the trainer yet to see if it's common on all bikes or just the specialized.
 

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I'm no expert but it also looks to me like your seat it too high. It looks like your leg is just about fully extended at the bottom of your pedal stroke. That being said, I would ride outside a few more times times and get your neck muscles back in the game before you started tweaking your fit.<br><br>
As far as the flexing issue goes, I think it's got a lot to do with your size. My brother-in-law is the about the same size and he can generate a hell of lot a torque. I don't think they had someone your size in mind when they built the thing. At 6'7'', I'm sure you've encountered that problem on more than one occasion.
 

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When you were on the trainer in aero postion, were you looking at your front wheel most of the time, or did you have your head raised, looking forward as if you were riding outside?<br><br>
Your head weighs about 8 pounds. Holding up to see while in aero is like holding a glass of water at shoulder height at arms length. For 15 seconds its nothing, for 2 minutes, you notice it, for 30 minutes its agony.<br><br>
The muscles that hold your head up to look forward in aero need to be built up the same way your lower back needs to be strengthened to stay in aero.<br><br>
If you already did this all winter, I am full of it, and you need to look at something else.
 

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I was looking as high as my neck would allow me to look, that would be about 15ft in front of the bike if I was outside. That said though most of my long rides on the trainer were spent in front of the TV which is about 18" off the ground. So I never really looked up enough anyway. I have been in this Aero position since about december. As for the seat post height. I dunno, If I go much lower my legs will hit my chest. I'll give it a shot though just to see what happens.
 

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If you watch carefully and pause the clip at just the right point, you'll see that the only reason the seat height seems right is that you're foot is pointed considerably downward at the bottom of your pedal stroke. If you lower your seat a bit you might be able to flatten that out somewhat. Might take a little getting used to.
 

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couple things--i'm not an expert so take at face value--your front is pretty high so you push too much air. you can get lower by removing the spacers, flipping the stem to get negative rise, swapping out the thick fsa top cap that comes on that bike for a thinner one and looking an aero bars with lower arm rests. every time you lower the front, you chase it by moving the seat forward. when you run out of saddle rail, but a seatpost with no setback, look for a 27.2 mtb seapost like a kalloy for 30 bucks, you can shorten it with a hacksaw.<br><br>
your bike will handle funny, but that's the best you can do with a road bike, that's why people buy the tri bikes w/ the 78 degree seatpost.<br><br>
in terms of the neck, when you are riding hard, you don't want your head so high you see the whole road. look up just enough to see up the road a little--that why people use glasses w/o top frames. As your neck gets stronger, keep your head up enough to maintain an aero position, but it takes some time, those muscles build up quick though.
 

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JRoden:<br><br>
I'm as low as I can go on the head tube front, no more spacers to remove. I will flip the stem though, hadn't thought of that. I've been trying to get away with the clip on bars, but I really should go to a full aero setup. I would love to get a tri bike, but thats not really a possibility right now. The MtB seat post is a great suggestion I was looking for something like that but didn't know where to find it.<br><br>
MBannon:<br>
I see it now.<br><br>
Good suggestions all keep em coming!
 

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order the post from some outfit like supergo, kaloy is a cheap brand. the top cap on your bike is very thick, you can lose 3/4 of an inch if you find a thinner one
 

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thanks JR i'll check out those brands, and yes, i'm looking for a thinner one, the top bearing face is multi-faceted, so I may have to find a new headset if I need a thinner one.
 

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I agree with Bannon. It seems your seat is a tad high. I noticed the pointed toe right away (because I'm working on that) If you lower it, then you can flatten that foot out at the bottom. You shouldn't have to lower it so much that your knees hit your chest. Getting lower, you just have that problem, especially with your long legs! Wow!! I certainly don't have that problem since I'm more than a foot shorter than you!! JR's suggestions should help some too. I'm messing with my seat and such too. GL!
 
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