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We had a thread in the Finish Line Race reports forum where we posted the details and questions about our training for Fall marathons. Now it's time to dust off the plans and start working for the Spring season races.<br><br>
I guess we'll do a new thread each week for reporting.<br><br>
I'll get started.<br><br><i>Background:</i> Just started racing marathons this year. I completed 4 marathons, one in the spring (Country Music) and three in the fall (USAF, MCM, and RocketCity).<br><br><i>Goal/Races:</i> Train for a BQ attempt in the spring. I need a 3:15:59 to qualify. Currently planning on trying for it in Athens OH on April 6th (tentative plan, still need clearance from DW). Along the way, I'll run the full marathon at Mercedes (Birmingham) on Feb 9.<br><br><i>Training Plan:</i> It's looking like I'm going to jump into the Pfitz mas 70 MPW plan for 18 weeks ( with the first two weeks chopped off; hey I just ran a marathon saturday). Currently, I'm reading <i>Daniels Running Method</i>, so that might have an impact on my training too. We'll see.<br><br>
My schedule for this week is to take Mon - Fri off. I haven't had any off days in a long while. I'm hoping that some of my nagging aches will heal up with the days off, then I'll get in an easy long run on Saturday before going full bore with the training.<br><br>
What are you plans and goals?
 

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Spring goal - run a 3:30 or better marathon.<br><br>
-Will attempt it at Eugene.<br>
-Also running the National Marathon in March.<br><br>
I have previously used a Runner's World plan for my past marathons but just picked up a Pfitz book and am leaning towards using it for the spring.
 

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Spring Goal: Boston under 3:20<br><br>
Background: First marathon on the 4th (palm beach), I just started "racing" last November, so I really have no clue as to what I'm going. It went well, but the weather did not cooperate at all (hot and humid) and I really felt like I was in sub 3:20 shape but had to change plans and go out much slower when I saw the forecast--it was the right choice!<br><br>
Training: Basically planning on following Pfitz's 18/90 (mixing in some of Daniel's ideas)but I'll also have to chop off the first two weeks so I can work in some recovery weeks. I really wish there was a little more time, oh well.<br><br>
This week and next are still "recovery" weeks but I'm feeling pretty good, so hopefully I can keep my miles up if things go well. The main goal is to stay healthy thru this next adventure.<br><br>
Today was an unplanned EZ 5 miler.
 

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This is a copy and paste of my Tokyo Marathon thread. I won't repeat any more weeks, but my race is Feb 17, in Tokyo. I'm working on week 15 of the 24/55 plan, but I had two solid months of base work before that. I looked hard at the 70 mpw plan, but thought it was just a tad beyond my grasp, although I am doing a bit more than the 55 week plan has laid out. Last week was an exception though.<br><br>
Week 14....This was my first bad week since June. After last week's 20 miler I felt out of gas until about Thursday. So I rested. Even after I was rested I couldn't manage the mental energy to go out and run, so after a 6 mile run on Thursday I took the rest of the week off. Trand total of 6 miles for the week! Not a good idea to take a week's rest in the middle of a marathon training program, but I felt I needed it. Maybe it's because I decided to do the 24/55 instead of the 18/55, but mentally I just couldn't be bothered with the thought of another 11 weeks before my race. On the other hand, if I had done the 18/55 I'd only be a week or two away from taper, and a week off in that plan would have been much tougher to recover from.<br><br>
On the bright side....most of the aches in both legs are gone right now. My right adductor has been bothering me for over a year, and there is no discomfort whatsoever. The left hammy was also sore, causing me to be careful when I bent over with any weight on that leg. Today I can feel it but like the right leg....it's pain free. My feet are also pretty banged up. Blood blisters under two toenails on the right foot and also on the end of my big toe on the left foot. Not under the nail....under the end of the toe!!<br><br>
Today is supposed to be an "off" day, but I think I'll put a few miles in...just to get back into it. This week is a light week in the 24/55 schedule, so probably a good way to get back to serious training. This is also the week I firm up my reservations. After a week in Tokyo I'll be heading to Kyoto (the center of traditional Japanese culture) for a couple of days before flying home. I will be flying out of the Kansai airport, near Osaka, which is the one that was built on the ocean. Having read about it and seen it on TV, it will be an interesting visit.
 

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I feel outclassed here, but hey, why not!<br><br><i>Background:</i> Ran 1 marathon in 2005. Ran 5 more this year. PR is 4:58.<br><br><i>Goals/Races:</i> My goal marathon is Eugene in May. My reach goal is 4:30; my realistic goal is 4:45. But, before that happens, I have Surf City Marathon at the beginning of February and I'm thinking of trying for 4:50.<br><br><i>Training Plan:</i> I am currently training for my first 50K. 4 weeks later is Surf City, so I'll so my standby Hal Higdon multiple marathon plan and after that, I'm not sure what I'll do to prep for Eugene. I am open to suggestions though.
 

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My goal is very similar to <b>Tim's</b> Boston Qualify - (3:15:59) - most likely at Athens, OH (if Tim gets clearance from his DW), if not, I'll fall back to running National (same weekend, so I don't have to adjust my plan that much).<br><br>
For the most part, I'm following the Pfitz plan. I'm also part of the "local spring marathon training team" so they have a plan as well... most of it aligns well. I'm doing my weekly long runs with that group.<br><br>
My marathon PR was Richmond this year - I was a tad bit under trained (only 2x 20 milers in). I felt great (on 3:13 pace) until the wheels slowly came off starting around 18.5 - but really around 21... I finished in 3:23:27... almost 4 minutes off of my previous PR which was on an easier course.<br><br>
I ran 5 easy (8:09 pace) yesterday, I've got 10 with 4 at HM/15k pace on tap for tonight, and my ML run is tomorrow. I haven't really looked beyond that.<br><br>
On my way to the Marathon, I plan on running a 35k trail race in January, and a 15k in January. I'd like to PR in the 15k, but it's a week after the trail race, so that's not likely.
 

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Ooops I was off on tonights run... it's 8 miles w 10x100m striders.<br><br>
So...<br><br>
Monday - 5 miles easy<br>
Tuesday - 8 miles w/10 x 100m striders<br>
Wednesday - ML run (10-12 miles)<br>
Thursday - 5 miles easy<br>
Friday - 9 miles General Aerobic<br>
Saturday - 5 miles easy<br>
Sunday - 15 miles group run (pfitz has 17, but I'm more or less doing the group plan for long runs)<br><br>
Should put me at 56-59 miles total for the week.
 

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My schedule is totally up in the air right now, but I'm guessing it will be:<br><br>
Disney Marathon in Jan (pace)<br>
Tentative - ORRRC Marathon in March (or the half) OR National Marathon<br>
Tentative - Athens OH Marathon in April<br>
Boston - UNLIKELY (Bummer!)<br>
Flying Pig for sure, either pace or race<br><br>
I'm hoping to have some firm ideas in the next few weeks on what I'll be racing and what I'll be pacing. I'm just sort of keeping my base of 50-60 miles per week until I figure out for sure what I'm doing.
 

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<b>Background</b>: I’ve run three marathons – all in the past 13 months. Two were all-out efforts and one was a pacing job. My second attempt earned me a BQ, so I’ll be in Hopkinton this Spring.<br><br><b>Goal/Races</b>: Goal #1 is to re-qualify for Boston at Boston. That should be doable. My second goal is to post a time that begins with a 2. That might be more difficult to do since Boston is such a tough course. I won’t be disappointed if I can’t take a serious shot at that until the fall. <b>Races</b> – Boston and the New Bedford half as a tune-up five weeks prior. I generally race two halfs and two fulls per year - that's it.<br><br><b>Training Plan:</b> I’m a Daniels disciple. The last marathon cycle I tried using the Daniels Elite Marathon training plan and that proved to be a little too much to handle. So, I’m going back to the tried and true Daniels Marathon Training Plan A.<br><br>
This week’s schedule has me at 80 miles as I’m at the very tail end of my base building period Beginning next weekend I start my official Boston training with my first interval workout and long run of 20+ miles.
 

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Thanks for starting this thread, Tim. I wonder, are we supposed to report our upcoming week plannned, or the week just completed?<br><br>
I too am training for Boston. Not sure of a goal, but I wish to beat my debut Boston time of 3:16. The approach I will take this season is to train the best I can and decide during race week on how I will race Boston. In the past, I've used Daniels' A (60 mpw), Pfitz, and Benji Durden's training plans. I plan to use a variation of Daniel's again, with one quality workout and one long run per week.<br><br>
This last fall season I used a similar variation of Daniels and ran a 3:16 and 3:04. I'm not sure if sub-3:00 will happen in Boston, but it sounds like Coach T and I could race similarly.<br><br>
In the bigger picture, a long ultramarathon in June is my goal. I intend to use the Boston training season to set the foundation for the ultra.<br><br>
I look forward to following this thread, as I enjoy training with a phased marathon plan.
 

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Training for Boston - training starts Monday 12/17. Planning on using Pfitzinger 55mpw. I'm not looking forward to training through another cold, snow-belt winter so I may show up here looking for a kick in the arse to get out the door!<br><br>
You all are speedy - my BQ race was a huge PR and I'm not looking to duplicate that anytime soon, it hurt :>0 Boston will be about having fun and running a respectable race.
 

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I was so uncertain about coming back from injury that I didn't join the last round of this thread. It will be fun to train along and follow all of you as we all pursue our spring goals!<br><br><i><b>Background:</b> S</i>ince 2003 I have trained for five marathons and finished four. The most recent was three days ago in Kiawah Island where I BQ'd. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"><br><br><i><b>Goal/Races:</b></i> Boston, to run respectably and not let the hills beat me, but not so hard that I can't stop for pictures with friends and family along the way. Shamrock Half Marathon will fit in on March 16, and I'll try for a PR. I'm thinking a little about Fargo or Madison 4-5 weeks after to try to bring my marathon PR down, but will play that by ear for now.<br><br><i><b>Training Plan:</b></i> I am taking a little bit of an unorthodox approach as in just 3 1/2 weeks, like <b>Nettie</b>, I plan to attempt my first 50K, a trail Fat Ass in Delaware. I'll use an adaptation of Pfitz's 4 weeks between marathons for that and am just running it to finish. Then I'll have 14 weeks to recover from the 50K and prepare for Boston. I work with a coach and we outline an overall plan, then refine it each week based on the previous week. I've done well peaking at 55 mpw so I should be able to get some time at that volume or maybe a little more, and hopefully that will suffice.<br><br>
My biggest challenge will be getting some quality hill work in. The only hills where I live are highway overpasses.<br><br><i><b>This week:</b></i> I am in recovery mode with a whole 3 miles scheduled for Sunday, and cross-training until then. We'll see if I can hold out that long as I'm feeling good already.<br><br>
Good luck to everyone in their training endeavors!
 

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Well, I'm sad to say that I didn't stick to Pfitz's plan tonight... he had me at 8 miles with 10x 100m striders. I really wanted to put in some more 'umph' due to a bad day at work, so I did 6.75 miles in 50 minutes. I warmed up for 5 minutes then ran 8x 2:30 intervals at about 5k pace with 2:30 rest between, then a 5 minute warm down.
 

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Hiya:<br><br>
I'm currently training for Miami at the end of January. I'm really looking forward to getting out of Philly for a few days in the middle of winter, but of course I'm also looking forward to the race, which I hope to do in 3:15:59. I haven't run a marathon in five years, my last being Vermont City. I finished Vermont in 3:42, which is my current PR.<br><br>
Currently, I'm in relatively good shape, and have a much better base than I did for my prior marathons. Still, my goal time may be a little ambitious and I would really be happy with anything under 3:25:00.<br><br>
I used Pfitz 18/55 to train for Philly, which I didn't run. My trianing through August was solid and then I bought a new house and my training kind of feel off. I figured I would run Philly anyway, albeit at a much slower pace. Then, I found out Philly was sold out so I decided to redouble my training in preperation for another race, and I picked Miami.<br><br>
Last week:<br><br>
Monday: 4 recovery @ 8:44 (faster than I would have liked)<br>
Tuesday: 7 w/3 miles at tempo (7:02, 7:10 (hill), 6:58<br>
Wednesday: 4 easy @ 8:26<br>
Thrusday: Off<br>
Friday: 10 easy @ 8:28<br>
Saturday: 4 easy untimed<br>
Sun: 18 @ 8:33<br><br>
I feel good, am uninjured, and can see steady improvement.
 

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Well I haven't committed yet, but I'm certainly thinking about Boston. I've run it the past three years.<br><br>
Training would start next Monday, the 17th, assuming Pfitz 55 or Pfitz 70, 18 weeks.<br><br>
Target? Dunno... maybe 3:06ish? I've been making breakthroughs lately. Ran a 3:08:51 PR at Portland in October, then three more marathons in the following month (culminating in a win!).<br><br>
But, problem: after a nice Thanksgiving day 5 mile race (PR!), I went two weeks without running *at all*. Life was just too busy. Then, just as I was about to start up again, last Saturday I took a nasty spill while skiing, and slid down an icy hill with a ski edge jammed against the side of my calf. It still hurts. I can run, sort of. Ran 2.5 on Sunday. Was going to be an easy 5. I'm going to try again today. But there's a possibility there's some longer-term damage. I'm heading to the physio soon if it keeps hurting.<br><br>
So, I don't think I'm ready to jump back to 30-odd mpw starting Monday, unfortunately. I'll have to ramp back up.<br><br>
Anyway, I will likely mix in a few "for fun" marathons this spring, whether or not Boston is a serious target. I'm not sure I can let myself run Boston itself just for fun.
 

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11 Mile ML run today... ran the first mile in 8:10, then started turning the screws a little tighter for the next 8 miles... then I coasted back in miles 10 and 11.<br><br>
Splits:<br>
Mile 1 - 8:10<br>
Mile 2 - 7:44<br>
Mile 3 - 7:40<br>
Mile 4 - 7:36<br>
Mile 5 - 7:40<br>
Mile 6 - 7:34<br>
Mile 7 - 7:27<br>
Mile 8 - 7:23<br>
Mile 9 - 7:13<br>
Mile 10 - 7:54<br>
Mile 11 - 8:03
 

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Spring goal: Bayshore in May sub 4:00.<br><br>
Ran 1 marathon this year at 4:52 when the wheels really fell off. In a few weeks I'm starting a training plan heavily influenced by Pfitz; it will fall between his 18/55 and 18/70 plan.
 

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I took yesterday as a rest day since I wasn't feeling 100%. Still have a little cold today, but managed to get out for 7.5. I'll put in around 15 tomorrow. Looks like I'll be a bit shy of my goal for the week ~50 miles instead of 56 miles.
 

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That should be OK. It's only the 2nd week. How'd your week look compaired to what was on the plan?<br><br>
I'm back after taking Tues - Fri off from running. I had been going gangbusters on training and racing for 6 months straing so a few day with no running would help the aches and pains go away some...I hope.<br><br>
Myron, I'm going to ramp up right onto the same plan that you are on. I ran 6 today instead of the 5, and i'm going to do about 15 tomorrow and move the 17 to next weekend. I should be close but probably a little short on next week's mileage, and i'm going to hold back on pace and intensity since i'm still in recovery mode from the marathon.<br><br>
I should hopefully be fully enganged in training the week of the Christmas.<br><br>
I'm hoping to post and read other's weekly recaps with planned vs. actual.
 

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Pfitz in normal - what I did in Bold[<br><br>
Monday - Rest or XT - <b>Ran 5 miles Easy</b><br>
Tuesday - GA and speed 8 miles w 10x100m Striders - <b>6.75 miles with 2:30 intervals</b><br>
Wednesday - ML Run 12 miles - <b>ML 11 miles</b><br>
Thursday - Recovery 5 miles - <b>Recovery 3.5 miles</b><br>
Friday - GA 9 miles - <b>Rest Day</b><br>
Saturday - Recovery 5 miles - <b>GA - 7.5 miles</b><br>
Sunday - Long Run 17 miles - <b>planning on long run 15 miles with group</b><br><br>
So I'm a little off his schedule. I'm going to try to be a little more on his schedule next week.
 
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