So, I'm having an argument....

airehead · Mar 28, 2011

with the voices in my head.
 
 
No, seriously, with my husband and mom. They believe a person can be depressed and not know it. I disagree.
 
 
you?

rollingrock · Mar 28, 2011

sorry aire, i agree with them.

satfix · Mar 28, 2011

I disagree - but with a caveat.
 
I struggled with depression about 12 years ago. At the time, I knew there was something wrong, I just didn't have name for it. I wouldn't have said I was 'depressed' though there was something wrong - it wasn't the term that I would have identified with it.
 
So - I think someone can be depressed and not know that it's clinical depression, but I don't believe someone can suffer from clinical depression without knowing something is wrong.

4boysmom · Mar 28, 2011

If you've always suffered from clinical depression, that's all you know. After suicide attempts at age 14, I was diagnosed with "major depressive episode" and was sent on my merry way. It wasn't until 20yrs later that I was diagnosed with clinical depression and put on medication. Oh... so this having trouble getting out of bed, putting on foot in front of the other, on the edge of suicidal all the time isn't normal? It's actually possible to enjoy life and have a spring in your step? Wow... who knew?!
 
Hubby also struggles with depression. It's pretty much under control, but will flare up on occasion. I'm usually able to spot it before he does.

Grizzly · Mar 28, 2011

I don't know. My MIL was a Baptist minister, who before entering Seminary had a bout with depression that ended in an aborted suicide attempt, aborted as a result of a religious experience.. She claimed that Jesus had cured her and denied having a depressive personality. Whether she was aware of the depression and didn't want to admit it for fear of besmirching her salvation from the earlier bout, or whether she genuinely believed that she wasn't depressed because it didn't match up with the earlier bout I don't know.
 
Everyone who lived with her knew that she was depressive. Her second awakening came in the last year of her life when her doctor gave her anti-depressants not entirely under-handedly to assist her with her illness. I wish to God that she could have had those pills years ago. The woman we discovered in those last few months was denied to us because of her refusal to acknowledge her depression.
 
I believe that if depression is the only thing you know you may not be able to see through to a better life.

4boysmom · Mar 28, 2011

Grizzly--sadly, that's what some churches teach. Once I started on medication, I started feeling alive for the first time in my life. I then had a pastor come along and tell me that I didn't need those "mind altering drugs", all I needed was Jesus. Uh, yah. Are you also gonna tell the diabetic that they don't need insulin? The person with high blood pressure should just pray? Ya know, sometimes God does heal through doctors and medication.

the kenyan · Mar 29, 2011

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hubby and mumsie are correct

airehead · Mar 29, 2011

Very interesting. I will tell them! They will be thrilled to hear I'm wrong. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

coachie · Mar 29, 2011

I always find the "voices" opinions to be overrated, anyway.
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 I will tell them! They will be thrilled to hear I'm wrong
 
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airehead · Mar 29, 2011

But they're the loudest! <img alt="blob9.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/blob9.gif"> 

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I always find the "voices" opinions to be overrated, anyway.
 
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Grizzly · Mar 29, 2011

Aire:
 
Were they referring to anyone in particular or was this a philosophical argument?

airehead · Mar 29, 2011

Grizz, to be honest they were referring to me. I visited my mom in November and she said you seem depressed and I told her I don't feel depressed. I kinda dismissed it b/c my parents are both very ill/elderly and it is very exhausting and stressful being there. (Lots to do, lots of doctors to deal with, lots of errands)
 
Mr Aire said the same thing. But I don't get it b/c I'm on meds and feel fine. Way better than before I was on meds. (Been on meds for 5 yrs now)

Grizzly · Mar 29, 2011

I was wondering. Sometimes I read between the lines and come up with the wrong story.
 
Aire, what they see and what you feel are two different things. Does it matter? I can't say. Perhaps they are interpreting things out of care and concern for you and over-interpreting. Perhaps what they see as depression isn't... but given your history I'd maybe talk it over with the doctor. Maybe the pills have you flat... and that could be what they're seeing.
 
At any rate, I don't do these things well, so forgive me: {{{Aire}}}

the kenyan · Mar 29, 2011

It's actually more common than one might think. Depression isn't always pure sadness. Unless you're suffering from major knock-me-on-my-ass depression, the symptoms can manifest themselves in different ways that one might not associate with depression. Anything from restlessness, change in sleep patterns, change in appetite, change in mood, loss of interest in crap that used to be fucking fascinating.
 
Nervous elderly parents are an equally common phenomena though. Especially if you're placed in an unusually stressful situation to begin with. <img alt="razz.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/razz.gif">

airehead · Mar 29, 2011

No, you guys are all being really kind, thank you. Plus, I'm tough to offend.
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Aire, what they see and what you feel are two different things. Does it matter? I can't say. Perhaps they are interpreting things out of care and concern for you and over-interpreting. Perhaps what they see as depression isn't... but given your history I'd maybe talk it over with the doctor. Maybe the pills have you flat... and that could be what they're seeing.
 
At any rate, I don't do these things well, so forgive me: {{{Aire}}}
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the kenyan · Mar 29, 2011

did i mention you suck?
 
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airehead · Mar 29, 2011

Picard can tell me anything he wants!!!
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