So, bin Laden's been killed.

gretriever · May 2, 2011

Well played, Special Forces.

runfishhunt · May 2, 2011

Sounds like it was a helluva raid put on by Navy Seals. Excellent way to start my Monday.

GaReb770 · May 2, 2011

Good job.

mmoonptdeux · May 2, 2011

I'm guessing cave living wasn't all that
 
Well done, Special Forces

Mrtambalynman · May 2, 2011

11 years of being on the lam has ended.

kerfwango · May 2, 2011

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 Bin Laden goes to 11.

RaisingArizonainNH · May 2, 2011

From a friend's husband's unit in Afghanistan in a rext about an hour ago..... "BinLaden is dead .. Al-Quaida isn't." 

 It is good that he was found and got what was deserved. Not sure how it will play out, but it is good to know he is in the hands of a Higher Power now.( Or a lower power? )

satfix · May 2, 2011

I heard on CNBC today that a significant amount of intel that was used for this strike had originated from gitmo before it was shut down... does the 'end justify the means'? If so - should gitmo be reopened if not - then should we be held accountable for being 'in-humane'?

GaReb770 · May 2, 2011

In general, I'm opposed to the "end justifies the mean's" scenarios. However, in very limited circumstances when attempting to capture leaders of nations or groups we are at war with such as Osama Bin Laden, I'm not opposed to it. Now if we were to do the same things with say Libyans or Hamas I would not be in favor of such scenarios because those nations/groups have not been as vicious as OBL nor have they attacked innocent (i.e. non-military) Americans. I realize one can argue in the case of Ghadaffi that he had something to do with Pan Am Flight 103 but we have not proven that and he has not bragged about it as OBL did concerning 911. 
 
Bottom line. I will give even the Bush Administration a pass on any method used obtaining information used to track down OBL. OBL lived by the sword and died by it. So be it, regardless of what method(s) were used to track him down.

gretriever · May 2, 2011

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by RaisingArizonainNH <a href="/forum/thread/73677/so-bin-laden-s-been-killed#post_1997476"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a> From a friend's husband's unit in Afghanistan in a rext about an hour ago..... "BinLaden is dead .. Al-Quaida isn't." 

 It is good that he was found and got what was deserved. Not sure how it will play out, but it is good to know he is in the hands of a Higher Power now.( Or a lower power? )
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Everything that happened in the South Park episode didn't come true, I guess. Except for the being dead part.
 
That quote is an important one to remember,.

kerfwango · May 3, 2011

Why did they bury him at sea so quickly?

Tech Tee · May 3, 2011

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by satfix <a href="/forum/thread/73677/so-bin-laden-s-been-killed#post_1997489"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a> I heard on CNBC today that a significant amount of intel that was used for this strike had originated from gitmo before it was shut down... does the 'end justify the means'? If so - should gitmo be reopened if not - then should we be held accountable for being 'in-humane'?
 
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 Um...last I checked, Guantanamo is still open.

Tech Tee · May 3, 2011

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 I kind of think that was a bad idea. There are people out there that will insist that he is still alive. Without seeing a body, perhaps by journalists, people will speculate.

satfix · May 3, 2011

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thanks for the correction- allow me to clarify- reopen the " interrogation techniques " that Obama outlawed when he first became President. It was those techniques that brought the intel forward that resulted in Osamas death

Tech Tee · May 3, 2011

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thanks for the correction- allow me to clarify- reopen the " interrogation techniques " that Obama outlawed when he first became President. It was those techniques that brought the intel forward that resulted in Osamas death 
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I still think those are there too Rich. I think all of Obama's "promises" regarding Gitmo, I think he came to the realization that it needed to stay. Although, I'm not sure.

GaReb770 · May 3, 2011

The problem with endorsing the methods used to obtain information (assuming the media information is correct as to how we found out the name of the courier), is we explicitly tell the rest of the world it is ok to abuse and torture U.S. soldiers to obtain information. It's great when we use torture against someone else and get information, no so great when we hear it being used against U.S. soldiers. It's a slippery rope.
 
Also the information we received that led us to OBL's courier was from prisoners being interrogated in Eastern European prisons, not Gitmo.
 
And Gitmo is open against Obama's desires. Congress has kept Gitmo open.

rlemert · May 3, 2011

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One factor is the fact that Islamic Law requires quick burials for the deceased. I imagine the government is trying to show that this action wasn't part of a "war against Islam" but an action against an individual, and this action was intended to help demonstrate that.
 
 A larger factor, I believe, is that they don't want to risk having any burial site become a shrine. If he'd been buried on-shore, his grave would become a lightning rod - attracting all sorts of terrorists and terrorist wannabe's and giving them a sense of inspiration. (Look at all the modern neo-nazis who still revere Hitler, and think about what they would do if they had a body available to "worship".)

kerfwango · May 3, 2011

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One factor is the fact that Islamic Law requires quick burials for the deceased. I imagine the government is trying to show that this action wasn't part of a "war against Islam" but an action against an individual, and this action was intended to help demonstrate that.
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I've heard that explanation and I'm not really buying it, for a few reasons: 1) Bin Laden was simply too valuable a target not to interrogate, pull DNA from, humiliate in handcuffs, etc. 2) Since when do we give a crap (as a government or military) about Islam, to the extent that we would take extraordinary measures to execute a proper burial for the single most valuable target, whether symbolically or strategically, in the War on Terror? 3) Most Muslims hate OBL and couldn't give a damn whether he was given a proper Muslim burial or not. 4) If the government really cared about not upsetting Muslims, they wouldn't be tramping around the Middle East, blowing up people and property at will.
 
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 A larger factor, I believe, is that they don't want to risk having any burial site become a shrine. If he'd been buried on-shore, his grave would become a lightning rod - attracting all sorts of terrorists and terrorist wannabe's and giving them a sense of inspiration. (Look at all the modern neo-nazis who still revere Hitler, and think about what they would do if they had a body available to "worship".)
 
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Avoiding a graveside shrine is a more vital consideration for national security than interrogating bin Laden? Besides, if you have a grave people visited to worship, what better magnet for drawing potential terrorists out into the open to be identified. Seriously, how many would visit a grave to worship bin Laden? Doesn't pass the smell test.
 
(I know you're just the messenger and I appreciate the explanation. This is my response to their explanations.)

mmoonptdeux · May 3, 2011

Wanna' bet we get the "Elvis & Bin Laden Spotted Having Tea" headlines in some of those certain grocery store weekly pubs sometime down the line?

gretriever · May 3, 2011

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Nah. There's a peckin' order to those things. Roughly (bottom of the ladder first):
 
Alien(s)
 
Hitler's love child
 
OJ
 
Alien(s)
 
Michael Jackson
 
Alien(s)
 
Elvis
 
I'm guessing he's travelling between the love child and The Juice right now.

So, bin Laden's been killed.

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