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What do you think?<br><br>
In my opinion, the states knew they were moving earlier than the earliest allowed and were told that delegates will not count. They did it anyways. This is how I understand anyways, I know this is how it happened on the Republican side. They could have kept their primaries after Feb 05 as per the Democratic convention instructions, and nothing would have been lost.<br><br>
This happened on the Republican side, as well, and delegates were lost. It was a choice made with the possible consequences known,<br><br>
There was a warning and a punishment that was ignored. This is the primary reasoning for me.<br><br>
The candidates said they recognized this and would not campaign there... so the elections might have turned out differently if full campaigns were launched by both parties. It would be massively unfair to fight and change the rules AFTER the election has been held. Far more unfair than a punishment given that was told could be given for a specific action that didn't need to be taken.<br>
If there was a problem, it should have been fought before, not in retrospect. It was not a surprise afterwards.<br><br><i>"The major Democratic presidential candidates all signed a pledge not to campaign in either state before their primaries. Most of the major candidates, except for Clinton also removed their name from Michigan’s primary ballot."</i><br><br>
If the people feel disenfranchised, they should look at their state's committee that decided to move the election up to have the headlines separated from other states, and have fought the decision.<br><br>
What do you think?
 

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they should NOT be counted. The states voted to create these rules and then chose not to abide by them. They knew they were disenfranchising their own voters and many voters likely did not vote BECAUSE they knew their vote wouldn't count, so it is possible that the vote would not likely reflect the choices of the voting public in a LEGITIMATE primary, which theirs were not.
 

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I agree. They should not count.
 

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Of course not. The ballot was incomplete in Michigan.<br><br>
The real debate is whether a do-over primary should be allowed. There's going to be a fight over this.
 

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I think the Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot, make a decision. If they decided ahead of time that they wouldn't count, why hold the polls open, waste...waste..waste<br><br>
Florida should just be banned from voting, they just don't know the rules and how to conduct an election.<br><br>
As is, MI should NOT count. FL--yeah, I think so.<br><br>
redo??? let the candidates pick up the tab<img alt="banana.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/banana.gif">
 

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Not allowing MI and FL delegates will surely hurt Clinton more than Obama. Hillary has been winning the delegate rich "battleground" states, both of which MI and FL are.
 

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I don't think they should have a do-over. First of all, they knew what they were getting themselves into. Be a grown up and live with the consequences. Secondly, the cost is just too much. Who's going to pay for it? What about absentee voters? What about people who voted last time and not available this time. If taxpayers pay for it I'll be pissed. The reasoning is that it's only the democrats that are having a problem, by putting the price on the taxpayers at large, you're asking for a lot of other people (who have no problem) to cover the cost for people who messed up. That is just plain wrong.
 

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Then she was foolish to sign that agreement.
 

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most definitely, which is why it'll be argued over and over........... McCain just sits back and waits for the the fencesitters or middleground to say "forget this crack"
 

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they agreed not to campaign there. he may have been equally foolish not to put his name on the ballot in MI, even if it were "pretend". We won't what was foolish until the decision is made. Right now, they both look stupid.
 

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they shouldn't count....and if they have a "re-do" it should be up to that state's party to pay for it.<br><br>
Ridiculous.
 

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<img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
well, rumor has it that they want Hillary as the opponent. who knows maybe they 'will' pony up.
 

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No redo.<br><br>
It's not fair.<br><br>
They knew what they were getting into. They should live with the consequences.<br><br>
More importantly, think about the message this is sending to our children?
 

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I am pissed off about the whole thing. I recognize that MI and FL rank and file voters are probably pissed because their officials got them into this mess. But I say they shouldn't count and there should be no do over.
 

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I agree, no redo and don't let them count. Everyone knew the consequences and assumed it wouldn't "matter" because the race would be tight. Well, now it appears the convention will be important the delegates would be valuable, etc. So, everybody gets all excited. Pretty annoying.
 
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