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There's a 15k race tomorrow, I was planning on making this my first MP run and get myself outside. (i've been outside 3x since the beginning of the year).<br><br>
here's tomorrow's forecast<br><a href="http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USWI0177?dayNum=1&from=36hr_topnav_undeclared" target="_blank">http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdet...nav_undeclared</a><br><br>
the 26 mph winds at well below freezing temps.<br><br>
will this make me stronger, or just mess me up when I can't hold MP for 9.3 miles.<br><br>
(holdme). Flounder registered, do I draft off the big guy?????
 

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Well, if I were in your shoes, I think I would skip it. I might go do it as a hard run, but without wearing a watch or trying to really race or hit specific times. I would not, however, do it as a race or a pace run because I wouldn't want the lack of confidence it would be bound to give me. Intellectually I might understand that I couldn't expect it to go well on a day like that, but in the end, the mean part of my brain would beat me up that I couldn't even manage 9 miles at MP and that I felt awful to boot.<br><br>
Now, given that you are tough as nails, you might be able to succeed and thrive at it...
 

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If you have not worked up to some MP runs and have just been base building (I'm guessing on the treadmill) then maybe you want to ease into it and make it a progression type run with say the first 3 MP+15 seconds, next 3 miles at MP+5 seconds, and the last 3 at MP. Would that be worth it to you? If you're used to that pace maybe take the above workouit down by 5 seconds.<br><br>
It's hard to give advice based on what you've posted. What stage are you in your training? Are you periodizing? When is your goal race?<br><br>
The other variable here is that you're not used to taking a pounding on frozen pavement seeing as (and I'm guessing again) you've been mostly running on the treadmill.<br><br>
I'm just thinking out loud but I think we need to know more and there is too little time. I will not be back here until tomorrow.<br><br>
Good luck if you choose to race.
 

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26 mpw winds and well below freezing is all I need to know. Skip it. I'm a raceaholic and wouldn't touch that one. Too much potential for being a confidence deflater and doesn't sound like it would be much fun.
 

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RD usually has a little something for the winners. I decided against it, with some help of course. Did 60 minute at MP on the mill instead, so I could keep track of nutrition. I did poorly. I lost a pound. I only took in 28 ounces in 90 minutes. Else, my pace was good, PR if I can hold oh for 2 more hours, which is doubtlful when I'm negative 5 ounces of nutrition every 1/2 hour. It sad because my requirements are pretty low and I still fail.
 

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Too bad. for me, running in brutal conditions makes me feel like I can stand up to anything during a long race. That is pretty freaking cold for a race though.<br><br>
By nutrition I assume you mean hydration? I don't think the weight is relevant. 28 oz is plenty for a 90 min run. I usually don't drink at all on a 90 min run and I don't think that is uncommon. You might want to read Noakes research on hydration in Lore of Running.
 

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I can run LSD for 2.5 without a drop, but MP runs I lose alot by sweating (it was 68F in my basement, so warm, but could be worse). I need to get the book, I know Tigger has mentioned it before. I never thought I was a heavy sweater, but I'm beginning to think I'm wrong. My best races have been when most people are wearing tights.
 

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I have to look real hard to find it in all that negativity, but it looks to me like you had a great workout. Where I come from PR pace is pretty good.<br>
Geez, fox-runr <img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif">
 

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Foxrunr - i jsut got some info about Oshkosh 1/2M and have never considered it before (i usually work saturdays). I found out that i'm not scheduled that day and it would be a great weekend race for me. Have you done the race? I trust the race organization, but hoenstly i've never been in Oshkosh before (only doing 65mph on HWY 41). Let me know more if you can.<br><br>
Thanks Steve
 

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Oh dear, sorry. I'm trying to work on that. It is my bigger issue. I've been recommended "magical running" to improve my psyche, I'm obviously not done with the book.<img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif">
 

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Yes, i ran it last year. Nine out of ten will say it's a PR course, so I won't go against that. Personally, it wasn't so apparently fast for me, but just about everyone I know hit huge PRs. The race organization itself has improved tenfold with time as the RD has more people on board to work with little details. The big problem, like many in this area, is trains. Race Directors cannot get the RR to release their schedules. A train ran through this race and stopped people running around the 2 hour mark. Last week, I decided to go down to Oshkosh for their Saturday buildup and the railroad has told the RD that they will delay one hour that day.<br><br>
Course is flat and there were quite a few runners considering it was the first year, and quite a few decent runners.
 
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