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I've been running in Sauconys for 4 years, starting with the Trigon 1 and up through the Trigon 5 for trainers, FastTwitch 2 for racing flats. (Though recently I switched to Asics Magic Racer for flats.)<br><br>
Well, I recently had some orthotics made, to correct my rather inefficient splay-footed running style. Hoping my race times will drop!<br><br>
Problem: the orthotics take up more volume (as well as weight) than the standard liners. The Trigon 5s puts painful pressure on my forefoot at the bottom of the laces. So, my pedorthist recommended switching to shoes with a deeper toe box, such as New Balance.<br><br>
Question: what's a good NB neutral lightweight trainer? I see that the 882 specifically has "a generous toe box", but it's not the lightest of the current offering on the NB website. That would be, I guess, the 893, which is a new shoe, available 1/15. So, I guess nobody can give me feedback on that shoe. But does it replace a lightweight trainer? NB doesn't specifically describe any of their shoes as a lightweight trainer...<br><br>
On the racing side, I haven't tried the Magic Racers with the orthotics yet, but if I were to switch to NB there too, it looks like the 1001 is the basic neutral flat? The 152 is too lightweight for marathons, I take it? (Although I wonder about that, with the extra cushioning and support the orthotics provide...) The Magic Racers are not as light as I would like, so I might be looking to make a switch here anyway. I've got an extra 2 oz./shoe penalty now because of the orthotic. My pedorthist assures me that the improved biomechanics will much more than make up for this... well, we shall see!<br><br>
Thanks,<br>
Bob
 

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Can you replace or cut the liner? My orthotics aren't full length, so I cut the heel portion of the liner out so they both meet near the middle of the shoe.<br><br>
Having said that, you could take a look at the NB 873. It's a trail shoe, but it has a VERY deep forefoot area, even for new balance.<br><br>
The other thing that you may want to consider is some lacing techniques. If you keep the toe area looser, then you may be able to salvage those shoes you already have...<br><br><a href="http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/segmentedlacing.htm" target="_blank">http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/segmentedlacing.htm</a><br><br>
Good luck.<br><br>
Chris
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. I've already removed the entire liner; the orthotics are full-length.<br><br>
Re the 873, that does look interesting... the NB page even calls it a lightweight trainer. Still, I can't see how it couldn't be a few ounces heavier than the non-trail shoes, and I really want to reduce weight. They don't list the weight. Maybe I'll carry a scale into the running store.<br><br>
Re changing lacing, yeah, that's my temporary solution. Loosening the laces is not enough; I've moved the laces so that I start lacing a couple of rows up from the bottom. That's good enough to let me run without pain, but I'd rather have shoes that fit correctly. Ah... I see, that's what "segmented lacing" does as well, then adds another lace! Interesting. Never seen that before.
 

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What's going on with Saucony these days? I noticed their web site has only an ad for the ProGrid Paramount for most of the Fall and now into Winter. I was trying to see where they are going with the Trigon model as RRS lists it as endangered.
 

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They are definitely a lightweight shoe in general....and even more so if you hold them up against most trail shoes. You'd definitely want to try them out first, but it does have an exceptionally "deep toe box"<br><br><a href="http://www.walkerswarehouse.com/fitness_cat/shoes/New_Balance_Charts/nbshoelastchart.html" target="_blank">http://www.walkerswarehouse.com/fitn...lastchart.html</a><br><br><br>
Oh, for what it's worth, I also love the NB 755 and 902 also. They are both great lightweight shoes. I use an orthodic in both of these as well without problems (but not full length).<br><br>
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I checked RRS and the Trigon GUIDE is listed as endangered, not the Trigon RIDE (neutral) and both are on sale!
 

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Thanks. THe NB site doesn't list the weight, but RRS does, and somehow they are lighter than most of the non-trail shoes! I can't quite understand that. However, they are listed as having an SL-1 last, which by that chart has a standard toe-box depth?<br><br>
I went out looking for all the shoes mentioned here this weekend, but the pathetic excuses for running stores I have near Hanover had not a one of them.<br><br>
Re Saucony, yeah, I wondered what was up with their website. I went back to check on shoe weights, and everything was gone.
 

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The weight being lighter than many/most trainers isn't a surprise to me. They are quite light for what they are! They are mostly mesh on the uppers. They are designed to drain water well, which they do well. As for the toe box...it is deeper because of of the toe bumper used. It creates a canopy much higher than the normal contoured toe area. It seems to keep this height through the laces.<br><br>
Chris
 
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