[ctjim]

So Clemens is the star of the Mitchell report.<br>
How about that as a perfect cap to a Hall of Fame career ?<br>
Roger is denying the allegations, of course. But what say you, clubhouse, is he guilty or is it all a misunderstanding ?

 

[Liam3494]

Sour grapes - He's still THE ROCKET...................

 

[ctjim]

It'll be very interesting to see how Clemens and Petitte get treated by MLB and the media compared to the way Bonds is/was.<br><br>
Guys on ESPN are already crying foul. Things like, "Everyone knows that baseball has a drug problem, why did Mitchell have to name names?"<br>
Why don't they just come out and say, "we like Roger and Andy so leave them alone". Freaking morons.

 

[Arrojo]

<b><i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Hang em all. They are all guilty.</span></i></b><br><br>
Seriously, this report is the tip of the iceberg. The players refused to cooperate; they are of course going to deny everything.<br><br>
Despite all that, I am still a fan. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sad">

 

[ctjim]

Me too. Certified (or certifiable) baseball junkie.<br>
How many days until spring training opens ?

 

[morph]

I met Clemens' wife once.<br><br>
If I was a baseball player, I'd be happy about this. No longer do they have the dilemma of playing by the rules vs. doing illegal drugs to stay competitive.

 

[jcumming]

One of my friends called me last night and reminded me of what I had said when he was pitching for the Blue Jays.<br><br>
I said that he just looked a lot bulkier than he had as Red Sock and if steroids weren't just for hitters I'd think he could be on them.<br><br>
Silly me

 

[tenacious1]

I'm a cycling fan. It's nice to see that another sport is finally recognizing they have a problem. This reminds me Operation Puerto and will probably take years to work out.<br><br>
Maybe we'll be able to put a competitive team in the next Olympics since maybe there will be some pro players will to go through the drug testing.<br><br><img alt="" src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/forum/popcorn.gif" style="border:0px solid;">

 

[bap]

Ban them all for a season then allow them to be resigned on minimum salaries. Erase a couple of year's worth of statistics and let them sue.

 

[ElDuderino]

Dude. And dude to Arrojo's point.... this is just the tip. 85 players were named, but about 100 actually tested positive in 2003 alone, according to ESPN.com. Anybody whining about the players being named outright needs to wake up to the fact that since the late 90's, pretty much all the stand-out players used. All the records, statistics, wins, playoff series are tainted by this. The 1997-2007 period just needs to become a black hole as far as the history of the game is concerned... time to start over.

 

[ym]

Either let them do it, or clean it up. But you can't let some of them do it, or make some of them not do it. Make it an even playing field. Make it fair.<br><br>
Personally, I'd rather see sports without it. With steroids, I don't really know what to celebrate; human strength, capacity and endurance or chemistry.

 

[kevin50]

They're not even testing for HGH.<br><br>
I say anyone on the list gets suspended immediately and indefinitely. You can request a hearing to try to get back on the field.<br><br>
All contracts for active players on the list are immediately voided. Those players cannot resign with their current team - that in a small way penalizes the teams can turned the head and pretended nothing was going on.

 

[ElDuderino]

Unfortunately there's no valid way to determine who's cheating and who's not with the current HGH test... a good friend of mine is a sports med doc in Seattle, and he has seen minor league ballplayers in his clinic who admitted to him to using HGH... its use is widespread and rampant because the current test isn't sensitive enough to tell a cheater from someone with naturally high levels of HGH.

 

[ym]

I think it is the industry standard that no one talks about. They do it in college ball too. As if no one would notice that a junior ends the season at 175 pounds and comes back as a senior all bulked up at 200+ pounds. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)"><br><br>
The sad part is that you have to have talent to get through HS and into college ball, but if you want to make a career out of it, you have to be competitive with the enhanced folks. I seriously doubt the kidlet whose been playing since he was 5 is going to give up his dream on principle. They do what they have to do to stay in the game.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sad">

 

[RichMac]

What's the big deal? Let everyone do it, make the playing field even.<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">