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2007 Rochester Marathon 9/16/07<br><br>
Executive Summary:<br><br>
Goals:<br>
Training run<br>
10:00 m/m pace<br>
Practice run/walk<br>
Eat on the run<br><br>
Results:<br>
4:06:55<br>
9:26 m/m pace<br>
No run/walk<br>
Stomach ok w/the stuff I did eat<br><br>
Long Version:<br><br>
This run was to be my last real long run before my taper to Canandaigua 50 mile. I wanted a 4:20, not a real lofty goal for my first “official” marathon, but the goals for this run were, time on my feet, run/walk practice, and trying new fuels (Hammer Perpetuem, Clif Shot Blocks, peanut butter pretzels).<br><br>
The weather was forecast to be 65 and sunny (and it was indeed perfect). I dialed in a 10:00 pace on the Forerunner and off we went. After the first couple of miles I new that I wasn’t going to be doing my planned pace and said what the hell I’ll go for a 4:00 finish as long as it still felt relaxed and easy. It’s a training run damnit!!!<br><br>
It was relaxed and easy until about mile 13. I was running with a buddy that was also using this as a training run and the miles had clicked by with barely a notice. Legs felt good, the 8:45-9:00’ish m/m pace was effortless the Hammer was going down well, the Margarita Shot Blocks were a nice treat, and it was a perfect day for a run. Then I felt a twinge in my lower back. Damn. I stopped to stretch it out but it did not want to loosen up. Double damn. I informed my pal that I was going to back off on our already very enjoyable pace in an effort to loosen things up. I recalculated my finish time. So much for sub 4:00 – 4:00. It’s a training run damnit!!! Okay 4:15.<br><br>
I had some slow miles as I went into shuffle mode and stopped several times to stretch and empty pebbles from the canal path out of my shoes (12:45!!! Yikes!!!) It’s a training run damnit! I only brought 3 Tylenols with me and was saving them until I couldn’t stand the discomfort any more. That turned out to be mile 19.<br><br>
By mile 20 the drugs had started to work their magic and the pace picked up again and I started passing people which lifted my spirits. I again recalculated a finish time. 4:10. I could live with that. It’s a training run damnit!!! When I hit mile 23 I was feeling good so I increased the pace some more. Legs felt strong (though I could start to feel the asphalt pounding my feet had endured), breathing was easy and I was enjoying myself again. Several spectators even remarked about my big grin as the last few miles wound down!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"> I passed dozens of people those last three miles and none of them were smiling. I did feel sorry for them and offered encouragement, but it looked like the Bataan Death March. I hadn’t seen any of these people earlier so they must have given all they had and this was The Wall. Ouch…. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sad"> .<br><br>
The last 3 miles were all a comfortable 8:30’ish pace and I passed at least another 6-8 people the last quarter of a mile and sprinted through the finish feeling good. 4:06:55. A marathon PR! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
I noted to my buddy (a veteran marathoner) before the start that there was a tension in the air that was not present at an ultra event. People bouncing up and down, serious expressions of concentration, stretching and general frittering about. You people gotta’ relax!!!!<br><br>
I had an enjoyable time and it was a nice course but my legs feel the pounding from the asphalt today. It was okay as a training run but I do not think I want a steady diet of road marathons. I really prefer the low key ultra atmosphere. However, I to got caught up in the nervous energy and threw my training plan out the window. Bad Dave! Bad!
 

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good job on your first marathon. Not too shabby for a TRAINING RUN. Yes, the atmosphere at a marathon is TOTALLY different than an ultra. kinda similar to a 100 miler with the bouncing excitement though. but in a different way.
 

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Fun report, dg!<br><br>
Nice observation on the starting line tension. One of my marathon friends recently ran his first ultra and asked at the start, "Are ultras always this low key?" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"><br><br>
No doubt that your relaxed attitude played a part to your enjoyable finish.<br><br>
Good job practicing your pace and nutrition. It hard to go slow, eh?<br>
Did you start taking gels early, or did you wait a while to let your stores deplete before comsuming calories?<br><br>
Recover well. You're looking good for Canandaigua.
 

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Thanks meri and roots.<br><br>
I started eating after about mile 3. I mixed the Perpetuem up in a 20 ounce bottle at a concentrated dose and took a hit followed by water every other aid station or so with a shot block whenever I though about it. I was out of Perpetuem about mile 20 or so and used the shot blocks until 23. Never ate my pretzels. So solid food on the run is still unknown, though I did have 8 or so donut balls and a cup of coffe just before the start. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"><br><br>
I ran into a lot of guys signed up for Canandaigua and remarked to one that I could have easily run another 7 or 8 but another 24? His comment was "You'll be running a lot slower". I certainly hope so...
 

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Nice training run (dammit) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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I have no doubt you could've come under 4:00 with those PB pretzels <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"> Nice job and nice prep for the ultra. Good luck!!!
 

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Good report and great run. 50 miles, that'll be a great accomplishment and an adventure...sounds like your prep work is going well. Congrats!
 

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way to go! what was the spectator/scenery like at this marathon?<br><br>
i tried hammer yesterday for the first time as well and also didn't have any problems.. yay for new options!
 

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The course went through some areas of the city with very nice big old houses including the George Eastman House and a few museums. It also went through some commercial areas. Meh. The course then followed the canal for a few miles and wound up on the U of R campus which is nice.<br><br>
Overall I guess it was okay, but I prefer road running in the sticks and trails in the woods.
 

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dg1- after i dnf'ed bull run as my first 50, i signed up for Old Dominion. Three weeks prior to ODM, i ran the Pocono marathon and when i finished, i felt good, but could not imagine going back out and doing it again! i was scared and overwhelmed, But i survived and had a very good 50 mile race and finish <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"> a little bit of a shuffle for the last 6-8 miles, but i still finished in a really good time <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"> You should be fine as long as you pace yourself and keep ahead of your hydration and nutrition.
 

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Great job on your race. I love Rochester as I went to U of R as well as living there for several years thereafter and your photos brought back some memories as I used to live pretty close to the Ford Street bridge.<br><br>
Please tell me that you made the experience complete with a visit to Tahou's afterward.
 

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Good job, dg1! Not bad for a training run, dammit.
 

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Training run. Argh. I hate you DG. I reaaaallly do.<br><br>
Congratulations on your first real one, and I think that it will serve you really well for your 50. Just don't go out at the same pace!
 

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Congratulations sounds like a great race-This was my back-up race if something went wrong on my 9/9 one. I liked that part of it was on the Canal path since that's where I do a lot of my LRs. It looks like it was a lot of fun<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"> Good luck on the Canandaigua 50 mile-I can't even imagine....
 

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Congrats! I sense a little of the same vibe from you that I get from a lot of friends. The line between "training run" and "racing, but not hard" is sort of blurred and fuzzy.<br><br>
FWIW, I've never been able to treat a road marathon as a training run. I've been very successful in using them for recovery and to make me get faster though. I'm not sure what distinction I'm drawing but I think to fit my warped definition of training it would need monster negative splits for a start.<br><br>
So is that your intended pace for the fifty? If so, let me kiss your feet.
 
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