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<p>cleveland is a great place for a sports fan  .. they have major league baseball, basketball and football ... not many single cities have all those ... it's disappointing that sports isn't what the people seem to be fans of ... they apparently are fans of winning ...</p>
 

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<p>Cleveland is going to suck for a loooong time.  The only way to rebuild a team in the NBA in a not-so-attractive place to play is through the draft, not through free agency.  I believe they're going to need a few years of sucking and getting lucky in the draft to be competitive.  Ditto for Toronto.</p>
 

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<p>how long could you keep the drive to win alive in a situation where it just is not happening year after year?  </p>
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<p>he's a 25 year old kid with lots of talent and wants to play with his friends and live his dream  ... he gave up millions more dollars and knew he'd draw ridicule of those that  claim to love him and yet he still chose to give his dream a try ...</p>
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<p>I'm sorry if this really does have a huge impact on the local economy or whatever ... but that's scary in and of itself ... a friggin' sports team/single player shouldn't be the one hope of a large city  ... not cool at all ...</p>
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<p>I hope Bosh, Wade and James have a lot of fun and reach their potentials as athletes  ...</p>
 

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<p>I agree with a lot of the talking heads about this. </p>
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<p>In some ways, LeBron has done what we always want the superstar athletes to do:  He's accepting less money and sacrificing his personal statistics for what (he thinks) is the best chance to win championships.  He also aired this special last night and donated all the proceeds to charity.  So taking those thoughts in and of themselves, and it seems like he did a great thing. </p>
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<p>But, like most people, I just feel so dirty about the whole thing.  It's not just leaving Cleveland.  Lots of free agents leave town.  Is anybody talking about feeling sorry for fans in Phoenix or Toronto because Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh left those towns?  No, it's the way that LeBron did this.  He embarassed Cleveland on national TV. </p>
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<p>He might win championships, but he won't be as respected and revered as if he had won them in Cleveland...</p>
 

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<p>Here's another thing I've thought about...</p>
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<p><strong>Cleveland</strong> is clearly the most-tortured sports city now.  They haven't won a championship in any sport in 46 years.  They've got three teams (although the Browns were out of existence for a few years), so that's more than a combined 130 seasons since their last title. </p>
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<p>But who's in second place?  I'm doing this from memory because I'm too lazy to look anything up.  But I think <strong>Seattle</strong> is #2 by this criteria.  They've got 3 teams and the last title was the Soncis in 1979, I think.  That's 31 years, and thus 93 seasons. </p>
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<p>Who else? </p>
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<p><strong>D.C.</strong>  Last title: 1991 Redskins.  19 years.  4 teams, although the Nats have only been there a few years.  About 60 seasons.</p>
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<p><strong>Minneapolis</strong>.  Last title: 1991 Twins.  19 years.  4 teams, but I don't remember exactly when the Timberwolves came into existance, or how long they went between the North Stars leaving and the Wild arriving.  Gotta be about 60 seasons. </p>
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<p><strong>Oakland</strong>.  Last title: 1989 A's.  21 years.  3 teams, although the Raiders came and went.  Close to 60 seasons. </p>
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<p><strong>Atlanta</strong>.  Last title: 1995 Braves.  15 years.  4 teams, although I don't think the Thrashers have existed that long.  So about 55 seasons.</p>
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<p><strong>Kansas City</strong>.  Last title: 1985 Royals.  25 years, 2 teams.  50 seasons.</p>
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<p><strong>Dallas</strong>.  Last title: 1999 Stars.  11 years, 4 teams.  44 seasons.</p>
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<p><strong>Milwaukee</strong>.  Last title:  Depends if you include Green Bay.  If so, last title = 1996.  3 teams, 14 years = 42 seasons.  If no Green Bay, last title = Braves 1957.  2 teams, ? seaons, but gotta be 50+. </p>
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<p><strong>Houston</strong>.  Last title: 1995 Rockets.  15 years, 3 teams, although there was a gap between the Oilers and Texans.  40+ seasons.</p>
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<p><strong>Toronto</strong>.  Last title:  1993 Blue Jays.  17 years, 3 teams, although I don't remember when the Raptors came to be.  45-50 seasons.</p>
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<p>Am I forgetting anyone in the 40+ range?</p>
 

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<p>did you see the letter from the owner? Wow.. big mistake</p>
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<p>OK, my take. I'm OK with Lebron's decision. I think he should have stayed in Cleveland, but that's an opinion. I have a BIG problem with how he announced it.  It was VERY narcissistic, and selfish, and to me is a slap in the face of Cleveland.  </p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AdCo</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68686/poor-cleveland#post_1919562"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>did you see the letter from the owner? Wow.. big mistake</p>
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<p>OK, my take. I'm OK with Lebron's decision. I think he should have stayed in Cleveland, but that's an opinion. I have a BIG problem with how he announced it.  It was VERY narcissistic, and selfish, and to me is a slap in the face of Cleveland.  </p>
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<p>He knew he wasn't coming back.  His goal was to play with his friends.  He should have just told Cleveland that from the start.  Then set out to figure out where he'd land.  He could have still done the special, etc.  But to leave Cleveland fans hanging on as if they had some hope when I believe he knew from the start he was leaving is just plain wrong.</p>
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<p>He's clearly another fame whore.<br>
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<p>In another world LeBron would have said "I was chosen by Cleveland, they've been good to me, so I choose Cleveland".  But we live in a world where class is undervalued.</p>
 

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<p>he's a 25 year old kid with lots of talent and wants to play with his friends and live his dream  ... he gave up millions more dollars and knew he'd draw ridicule of those that  claim to love him and yet he still chose to give his dream a try ...</p>
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You forgot his dog, "Shep".</p>
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<p>What Griz said<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68686/poor-cleveland#post_1919605"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>In another world LeBron would have said "I was chosen by Cleveland, they've been good to me, so I choose Cleveland".  But we live in a world where class is undervalued.</p>
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<p>I also like take that the Borowitz Report (sort of like The Onion) had on this whole circus:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10px;">July 8, 2010</span><br><span style="font-size:14px;"><strong>Millions Watch Rich Guy Get New Job</strong></span><br><span style="font-size:10px;">Wealthy Man’s Giant Payday Draws Huge Audience</span><br>
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GREENWICH, CT (The Borowitz Report) – Millions of Americans huddled around their televisions Thursday night, transfixed by the spectacle of an incredibly wealthy man getting a new job.</p>
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<p>In living rooms, bars, and restaurants across the country, a record audience gathered to watch the rich guy announce who would be signing his massive new paychecks.</p>
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<p>In New York’s Times Square, Tracy Klugian, 27, was one of thousands who braved the blistering temperature to watch the multimillionaire reveal the location of his new employer.</p>
<p>“I wouldn’t have missed this for anything,” Mr. Klugian said.  “For anyone who considers himself a fan of the rich getting richer, this was must-see TV.”</p>
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<p>Based on the record ratings for its special featuring the rich guy, ESPN announced that instead of airing NBA games it would instead schedule two-hour specials showing the rich guy cashing his ginormous paychecks.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>yar</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/68686/poor-cleveland#post_1919649"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><p><br>
You forgot his dog, "Shep".</p>
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I don't idolize people .. and I don't expect them to go above and beyond for others ..  perhaps I'm an ass or just very naive.</p>
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<p>He's a single person making a business decision that greatly affects his life ..  on a very small scale I did similar this year in leaving what was basically my childhood 'dream job' of working in the fitness industry   ...  8 years of doing what I thought I would LOVE and I was hating it because it wasn't nearly what it was 'supposed' to be in my heart and mind  ... do I feel great about what I do now?  no ... but I have hope to fulfil my dreams moreso than I have in a long time ...</p>
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<p>would it have been better if he'd stayed and broke his competitive spirit completely and gotten ridiculed for being a bum who didn't care after a few more years?</p>
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<p>I'm glad he was able to raise money for charity  ... I'm sad that so many people hinge their personal happiness on a sports team/icon.</p>
 

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<p>If there's a good thing about this whole episode, it's that the Knicks are just as screwed as anybody.  They spent the last two years gutting the roster and tanking games so that they can get LeBron.  And now that they lost out, they have ten of millions of dollars to spend on Amare Stoudemire and ....  ???   And once Stoudemire's knees finally explode for good, the Knicks will be in worse shape than Cleveland. </p>
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<p>The Knicks put all their eggs in this LeBron basket for the last two years.  And now what few eggs they have left are being put into the Carmelo Anthony 2011 basket.  Time to mail in one more season...</p>
 

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<p>Hah.  <a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/07/lebron-james-fathead-dan-gilbert-benedict-arnold/1" target="_blank">LeBron Fatheads</a> have been marked down from $99.99 to $17.41. </p>
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<p>Why $17.41?  Well, Cavalier's owner Dan Gilbert has a financial interest in Fathead, and 1741 is the year that Benedict Arnold was born!</p>
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<p>A little bitter, maybe?  <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/cool.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;" title=""></p>
 

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<p>How about the other side of things - can James, Wade, Bosh and what look like right now to me a collection of bit players win a championship (they had to get rid of Michael Beasley after acquiring LeBron)?</p>
 
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