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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">I am running Pittsfield Peaks in June as my first 50M race. I am starting to think about what the best approach will be to modify my training in order to prep. I am also starting to think about what might be the best race plan. I would love to hear some advice from anyone willing to give it. Below are my thoughts…</span></span><br><br><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';">Training:</span></span></span></b><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">I am going to continue to build up my base with my typically daily runs. I have built in two marathons between now and the first week of May which I am going to use as training runs. I will be running between 55 and 70 miles per week 10 miles daily runs with 1-2 longer runs on the weekends. I am going to try and do 1 or 2 back to back 20s before the race since I have heard so many good things about back to back 20s. Unfortunately, almost all of my weekly running is going to be on flat roads…I can work in trails and climbs on the weekends but exactly how much should I try to do? I will also have plenty of practice eating before the race and hydrating/replenishing electrolytes…</span></span><br><br><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';">Race Plan:</span></span></span></b><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">I am not really sure how I should pace myself during the race nor do I have any idea on an appropriate run/walk strategy. I would ideally like to finish the race in 12 hours or less…but this may be a bit ambitious since there is a total of about 14,000 in vertical climb...</span></span><br><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Ok…fire away. Enlighten me. Tell me how I should train differently…Tell me so good race plans…</span></span>
 

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I can't say as I could give you any advice. I'm a flatlander, I'm not sure I'd know how to train for that either. Though it looks like a really cool course! What I've done for hilly/mountainous races is get on my bike trainer and do some muscle building work. I know Sherpa John has done this race maybe he could give you advice.
 

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Done the race?? I helped design the course! <img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif"><br><br>
OK.. first things first. Leigh Schmidt.. the current VT100 Course Record holder and New England Ultra-Running stud came to the race last year.. He won with a time of 10:30. Thats only 4 hours shy of his VT 100 record time. Just for comparison...<br><br>
David Goggins... Yeah.. <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-128065916989980198&q=david+goggins&total=23&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0" target="_blank">THAT David Goggins</a>.. took him over 13 hours to finish. Sure.. he got lost for about an hour.. so... he MIGHT have finished in under 12 hours. One week later he ran a sub 24 at Western States.<br><br>
The course is actually longer than 50 Miles. RD Andy Weinberg says its 53.. I argue its more like 55 or 56. So.. its "Horton Miles" for sure. There is .0001% flat on this course. You are either running downhill or walking uphill. The climbs are LONG.. I'm talking 2 to 4 miles long. Its Vermont.. what do you expect? This is a course where you should expect the un-expected. Long stretches of wilderness with aid that seems forever away. Long climbs, steep descents, quad pounding...<br><br>
The BEST thing about this race is that its in my opinion the BEST last long run for those planning to run the VT100. Not because of the miles.. but because of how long it could take you to run the damn thing. It took me 16 hours to finish this race last year... and I loved every minute of it.<br><br>
It sounds like your training is right on track... I'd say the best thing to do s find a hill in your town.. the BIGGEST hill.. and do hill repeats at LEAST once a week. Practice Power walking because you'll be amazed at how much of it you'll end up doing. Don;t go into the race with a run/walk strategy.. go into the race planning to finish at all costs. Run when you can, walk if you must crawl if you have to. Bottom line.<br><br>
For you and any others of you who are interested... As soon as the snow melts and the mud subsides in Pittsfield... I will be hosting some training runs ON the course on some Saturdays in May. The Saturday BEFORE the race we have a course marking party... you are welcome to join for that as well. Just come along for a sneak peak.<br><br>
Rolly and RunLongVT have been on the course.. they can tell you a bit more. I will copy and paste a previous post from RunlongVT on another forum below for you to read. Rolly... Where you at?!<br><br>
SJ
 

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<a href="http://scottlivingston.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/pittsfield-peaks-ultra-challenge/" target="_blank">Scott Livingston Report:</a><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mt31BAEwto" target="_blank">YouTube Video</a><br><a href="http://planetultramarathon.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/pittsfield-peaks-ultra-challenge-2/" target="_blank">My Report</a><br><a href="http://ultrajchristian.blogspot.com/2007/06/pittsfield-peaks.html" target="_blank">Jeff Christians Report</a> My fav.. He says, "This race makes Highland Sky and MMTR look like speed bumps."<br><br>
I should also Mention that Andy Weinberg the RD also Directs McNaughton Park 150 and 100 in Illinois as well as a TRIPLE Ironman event. Co-Director and owner of the Peak Races, Joe Desena, in 2003 successfully completed the VT100 in under 24 hours... 3 days later he ran the BadWater Double and Buckled.. and 4 days after that he finished Ironman Lake Placid. Know any other folks who are THAT sick??<br><br>
I can;t find RunLongVT's report of our little training run out there. Maybe he knows where it is or can lend you some insight just the same.<br><br>
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Not sure how helpfull I can be, I dropped out last year at mile 43 after knee and hip pain had me limping the last 10 miles.<br><br>
I would suggest you add some form of cross training, trust me your whole body will take a beating at Pittsfield, get out and find the closest mountain and run loops on the trail up and down, Strenthen all you leg muscle your gonna need'em. Hike, power walk, climb stairs, bike, weight train.<br><br>
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Howdy. Sherpa emailed me and asked me to contribute thoughts.<br><br>
The first thing that should be totally clear about race is that it is not a normal 50-mile race. This may sound nuts. Hey, you think, what's normal about a 50-mile race to being with? Well, there are folks out there for whom a flat 50 is no big deal. Those people, along with everyone else, are going to have themselves a little cry somewhere along the trail at Pittsfield. I'm not trying to be macho or nasty- what I'm saying is that if you show up thinking that it will be just another notch in your belt, you are going to have a very very unhappy day. This race is brutal. This race, if underestimated, and maybe even if you know what you are in for, could be an epic. I just ran Hellgate and I think Pittsfield is going to be like nothing I've ever seen. This is not inflated hype or propaganda designed to get more people to the race. I understand that these statements may cost the race a few entrants. But I hope they save a few folks the misery of arriving unprepared. This race is doable, but it is not normal.<br><br>
Quaker02, you may not have known what you got yourself into, but congratulations on taking the leap. You definitely need to prepare yourself for this adventure. Throw out any notions of where you think you might finish based on results from other 50-milers you have looked at. The times here are going to be radically slower. Even the Mountain Masochist times will not compare, I imagine. Hellgate was on the same terrain as that race, I believe, and although there was lots of elevation and long climbs, they were not nearly as steep as Pittsfield. They seemed to have a sense of decency in Virginia, or were building those forest roads so as not to exceed a certain gradient. Perhaps they wanted forest service trucks to be able to get up them, or fully loaded pack-animals? In any case, they were almost all runnable. Pittsfield has several sections that are hikes, pure and simple. These roads were built with ATVs in mind, if anything. Take your calorie intake per mile for a moderate 50k and double it. Really. You are not just dragging your body along these miles, you are dragging them up them, and that costs a lot of calories. You will be doing a lot of walking so you will be able to digest a lot. Take advantage of that. Thrown any expectation of time out the window. Your ego will be so stroked at your next 50, even Vermont, when you will cut six hours off your time. Show up prepared to run for 18 hours. Be excited if you don't have to. Run all the hills you can. Strength training and cross-training of whatever kind are a very, very good idea, even at the cost of weekly milage. I don't think you need to run mega-miles for this race, but you need to be strong and mentally tough, willing to suffer through whatever the course has got. I think you could be very well-prepared for this race on even 50 miles per week, but with lots of hills and core strength work. Go hiking a fair bit, too. That will help.<br><br>
Last fall I went out to the course with Sherpa and we ran the "Bloodroot Loop" and a few other portions, covering about 30 miles of the course. I would say that Sherpa would probably describe this as the heart of the course. I had run a couple of moderate 50k's in 4:55 that summer and was in great shape. I had run the VT 50, my first, in 10:02 the week before and was feeling rested and recovered. Sherpa had finished just moments after me. The friend I brought down was a 4:30 50k runner and a sub-3 hour marathoner. Sherpa had already run 2 or 3 hundreds, including buckling at VT.<br><br>
Those 30 miles took the three of us over 8 hours if memory serves. We finished with a glazed look in our eyes. It was brutal.<br><br>
The course at Pittsfield starts in the little town center, which is tucked up against the Green Mountains. It climbs on dirt roads out of town and into the hills, starting on a well-traveled dirt road with homes and barns, and then passing into the Green Mountain National Forest. At some point, the roads devolve into "jeep roads." These are rough dirt roads with no winter maintenance that can be rutted and messy in the spring, sometimes totally unpassable. There are ruts and rocks and although you are on a "road", you need to wear trail shoes and watch your footing. I wrenched my knee pretty good at one point and kicked a couple of rocks that I thought at first had broken toes. These are the access roads to different campsites hidden deep in the park. The impression I'm trying to convey is that you are leaving civilization behind and climbing further and further into the park and up into the mountains. Eventually the double-track disintegrates into a bramble-clogged mess, a former-road, really; basically singletrack, that starts to climb straight up the side of the mountain. The overall layout of this loop is that it climbs up the ridge, drops way off the other side, then turns an about-face and climbs back up and over. The climb in both directions is steeper the closer you are to the ridge line, so when you hit the bramble-clogged singletrack, you feel like you are climbing a wall. It is the final push to the ridge, but it is nasty. Even walking, you will be breathing very hard and may have to stop and rest. It's ridiculous. Take your time to enjoy the pristine beauty of the national forest because it's the only thing that is going to take your mind off your discomfort and it really is an incredible forest.<br><br>
At the top, you are treated to a precipitous drop down the other side. Be careful here. A- Don't fall. B- Don't let yourself get out of control. You never know what logs or rocks are going to appear in front of you. C- Don't get "on the brakes" so much that you have blown quads by the end. Frankly, I think that you would be well-served to walk the first downhill portion because it's just so nasty steep, so as to avoid A, B, and C, and saving your legs for the lovely, more moderate downslope that follows. Sadly, however, this is just elevation you are going to have to run again anyway on the way up, but enjoy the glimpses through the trees into the lush wild heart of the Greens. Here is where you realize that Sugarbush, Killington, and the rest are no different than these mountains. Any of these mountains could have been a ski resort.<br><br>
At the bottom, there is a left hand turn, and eventually another leading back up the mountain to the ridge again. This, again, is just ridiculously steep; a good solid hike. There are meandering double-track sections at various points here that are quite nice. Some are smooth and well-traveled, with a view over to the reservoir or to other mountains. Take a moment to enjoy these. You earned these views. Then get back to the job at hand. You will see lots of snowmobile signs. There is a big network of trails all over the state and a ton in this area. Eventually, after more huffing and puffing, you will reach the ridge again and do the process in reverse. Rugged, grown-over used-to-be-a-road plummets off the ridge in ski-trail fashion, eventually leading to worn-out double-track, then access roads, then normal dirt roads. This is a long, long way down. I had never run anything like this before. Then, on to the next loops of the course, none quite as nasty or as long as Bloodroot, but none too easy either, I gather. Enjoy.<br><br>
So, I'm looking forward to this race, too. I don't plan on comparing my time to anyone else's or to any other 50-miler I have ever run. I expect to be totally exhausted at the end, and not just in my legs or from lack of fuel, but in a total-body sort of way. I expect to really feel like I am at my limit and experiencing about the hardest thing I could do. When I do, I will know I am ready to tackle the Vermont 100 five weeks later, because nothing I saw on that course even compared to Pittsfield. If I can run Pittsfield, I am sure I can do 100.
 

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Awesome. Thanks for the help. I am guessing 12 hours is way off for a goal but ultimately I will be happy to just finish. The harder the better in my opinion.<br><br>
I will start doing hills next week and work them into my weekly training and once the thaw comes I have plenty of mountains that I can run on the weekends (about 2 hours from where I live).<br><br>
Does anyone have any expectation on how many runners will enter this year? I am really looking forward to this race...
 

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RunLong - Your posted is incredibly helpful. I know pittsfield may not be the easiest but I am determined (and a bit nervous) but I am confident that I will be able to finish this race even if it takes me 24 hours and I am about to keel over when I am done!<br><br>
This is very good insight to help me prepare! Thanks a lot!
 

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The BloodRoot Loop starts 18 Miles into the race. When you finish it, you have done 39 Miles with another 16 or so to go. And the last 16 is nothing but up and down. <img alt="banana.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/banana.gif"><br><br>
We have 38 people start in 2007. I'm guessing we'll entertain somewhere around that number again though we certainly hope for more. You get your moneys worth with time on the trail, race shwag and the unique finishers award. We take good care of you.<br><br>
You could also consider the Snowshoe Races on March 8th. This race climbs "Joe's Mountain" 4 times for the marathon and twice for the half marathon. Joes is the final peak at the Pittsfield Peaks Race. During the snowshoe race, you go DOWN near what you come UP during the ultra challenge. Anyway... it gives you a good idea of what to expect with the race.<br><br>
And again, as soon as the snow melts I'll post any training runs here.<br><br>
Good Luck!
 

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That is the perfect attitude, especially for a first-time 50-miler. You CAN do this. Learn what you can. Prepare your body and your mind and then on raceday, just keep moving forward.<br><br>
This race will be terrifically hard, but it is clearly doable.<br><br>
I second Sherpa's reccommendation of coming to Pittsfield if at all possible for the snowshoe race or a training run. I never could have grasped what this terrain was like without seeing it.
 

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..... I guess I'm signed up too .... in a proxy sort of way...... looking forward to it, but sad to miss the snowshoe thing.... ho humm<br>
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I can't decide if you guys are trying to scare people away from Pittsfield. It sounds nasty hard. I must like pain because I want to run it now. I've already signed up for another crazy hard 50m in June so I'll need to catch it next year.<br><br>
Chris G<br><br>
P.S. 2 - 4 miles is a long climb?!? Come to Colorado and I'll show some long climbs!
 

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Yes because Colorado is the only place with big climbs.. <img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
Seriously not going to get into an East vs. West pissin contest here... but everytime someone from out West tries to undermine the New England hills and terrain... I again.. challenge YOU to come check it out for yourself.<img alt="huh.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/huh.gif"><br><br><img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Hey Everyone!<br><br>
The 2nd Annual Pittsfield Peaks Ultra Challenge is just a little over one month away. This years race is being held on Saturday, June 14th.<br><br>
The 50+ Mile race a grueling race through Vermont's Green Mountain National Forest. 14,000+ Feet of elevation gain. Registration costs $100<br>
We also have a team relay. $200<br>
And High School Students pay $10 to race! Yes.. TEN BUCKS!<br><br>
If any of you are contemplating running the New England 200 or 100 Miler in November,<br>
running this race is the PERFECT way to check out the course and to see what Peak Races<br>
are all about. We highly encourage you to run in June before running in November.<br><br>
All entrants will recieve a shirt and finishers recieve a unique finishers award.<br><br><a href="http://www.peakraces.com" target="_blank">www.peakraces.com</a><br><br>
Sherpa John<br>
(Peaks Committee)
 

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The Wapack 50 race reports that are currently going up might be a good source from which to glean info about pacing and nutrition for Pittsfield. The courses are similarly difficult 50+ mile races. Most reports so far talk more about the mental experience than technical nutrition specifics or pacing splits, but I'm sure there is good info there for those who go looking. See you all in Pittsfield!
 

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Good Luck SJ, Pittsfield is out for this year but then again so is Val Morin, Jay and VT50. Hopefully i can resolve some muscle problems around my hip and lowerback and be back on track for next year soon. <img alt="sad2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad2.gif"> I sure do missing running loops with Grommit out on the local trails. <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">
 
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