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<p>what do you think?  In some swims an open water "test" has started to be required usually offered at the same venue as the event on several weekends before the event</p>
<p><a href="http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.com/2011/12/nyc-triathlon-adds-open-water-swimming.html" target="_blank">http://dailynews.openwaterswimming.com/2011/12/nyc-triathlon-adds-open-water-swimming.html</a></p>
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<p>and hey when I hit post a bunch of my subject line letters disappeared and now I can't edit it? Oh well its a reading test...</p>
 

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<p>so, basically, it's just another waiver?</p>
 

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<p>i think the not requreing proof of your swim is a CYA and yes they are certainly limiting thier liability but other professionals are calling for more agressive approaches which coudl eventually include having a "certified" prequal swim as is done in some open water events.  Is this a good thing or a bad thing? SHoudl we push for this approach or just let them tell particpants they should have done a swim.  Every spring we know when the California 1/2 IM (is it ralph's ca it keeps changing names) is coming beucase we start fishing peopel out of the water at 500 yards.  Thats when the cold kicks in and they start gasping.  These are the peopel who do prepare by doing a trial swim where I usually train.  I'd like to see a free clinic offered a week before for those in the area or even a paid clinic to help them prepare but i dont' like the mandatory "check out" swims.  It interferes with the ability to travel to an area to do something new. </p>
 

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<p>The "mandatory" nature of a prequal swimming being AT THE VENUE does impact travel issues in a way that may likely prevent some from heading to destination events.</p>
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<p>BUT, having a certified swim "somewhere" might not be a bad idea.</p>
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<p>Perhaps having a model similar to what Channel swimmers have to do.....a certified swim in water at or below a certain temperature prior to being able to attempt a channel crossing.</p>
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<p>BTW Claudia....do you know how you have to provide proof of your 6 hr swim to attempt the channel?  Is it as simple as having it from a certified lifeguard or something like that?</p>
 

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<p>One option might be to define the requirement as part of the USAT license.  Require that before getting a license that you do a prequal swim, perhaps under the eye of a USAT qualified coach.  That would probably eliminate the one-day license, which I'm sure wouldn't go over well.  But USAT would love it.  :|</p>
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<p>Although its completely anecdotal, it seems that most of the time when I read about a swimming death in triathlon, it isn't a newbie, it's someone that has experience with multiple races under their belt.  When they can determine the cause of death (and often it seems they can't), it turns out they had an unknown health condition.  A prequal swim isn't going to help that.</p>
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<p>I wonder if the author has any data to back up the claims of a growing number of injuries and deaths.  I know they are getting more publicity and I know that the total number of triathlon participants is growing, but I haven't seen any data that documents an increase in the frequency of injuries or deaths.</p>
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<p>Yeah, Mike, I'd bet you're on the right track that's it's more deaths, but in proportion to greater participation.</p>
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<p>Mandatory claiming that you've done the swim doesn't seem all that effective to me. It seems like it could be good to have some sort of coach-level person sign-off on a qualifying swim. I'm with Stitch that it shouldn't have to be at the race site.</p>
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there is more than one English Channel orgnaization, each has a slightly different set of requriements but the sign off is from someone else who observed you doing the swim.  Usually its a kayaker or small boat support person and one usually is supported by a small boat/board etc for the qualifier.  The assumption is that you will be honest and you will do this because it helps you not waste your time and money and possibly life on somethign you can't complete.  Some other events have becomes more strict. </p>
<p>In the case of USAT they seem to be saying if they requrie a "certified" swim they are then liable for the certifyers?  USAT has a lot more liability issues than the swim orgniazations, they have more lawyers too.  I've spoken with them about organizing events and they always talk liability.  We were tlakign about the safety manual for an event and they stressed the importnace of everyoen having it so they would not be sued in a liability issue as they woudl have followed the agreed upon steps.  We used the handbook so that everyone would know what to do... I guess its two sides of the same issue stick (liability) or carrot (knowing what to do to help).</p>
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<p>On a more positive note, many poeple come to San Diego to do thier english channel qual as in the winter we have water in the high 50's so its a good place to get that done.</p>
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<p>And for Alaska Mike, I've seen the data there are an increasing number of deaths and reported injuries but there are an increasing number of particpants and an increasing number of less prepared participants, this is gross numbers not a percentage. There may be other numbers by percent I haven't seen.  The author is an olympic swim coach and experinced channel swimmer, considered a world expert on ow swimming.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Stitcher</strong> <a href="/t/75908/opwater-m-requirement-for-nyc-triathlon#post_2022559"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><p>The "mandatory" nature of a prequal swimming being AT THE VENUE does impact travel issues in a way that may likely prevent some from heading to destination events.</p>
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<p>BUT, having a certified swim "somewhere" might not be a bad idea.</p>
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<p>Perhaps having a model similar to what Channel swimmers have to do.....a certified swim in water at or below a certain temperature prior to being able to attempt a channel crossing.</p>
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<p>BTW Claudia....do you know how you have to provide proof of your 6 hr swim to attempt the channel?  Is it as simple as having it from a certified lifeguard or something like that?</p>
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