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Fat chance, bike paths are a magnet for beginners and the oblivious. Adding fast cyclists to an environment that is often not designed with the expectation that bikes go 20 mph is a recipe for mutual frustraion and potential injury. Bike paths are the kind of place I take my children to learn to ride without training wheels, I try my best to keep them where they belong, but having some doofus blow by on his or her aero bars trying to get a workout is simply inappropriate. If someone is strong enough to push some big meat on the bike, it's time to get over being scared of riding on the roads with cars. Biking is a dangerous sport, but placing pedestrains in danger doesn't do anything to mitigate that realiaty.<br><br>
Again, just my opinion and perhaps not one that is widely shared. And when I say "bike path" I'm referring to the standard rail right of way type path of maybe 4-5 feet wide, not something wider and more purpose-built.
 

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dude.<br><br>
I don't go quite 20... though sometimes I'm going 20-21 mph. Only average 16-17.<br>
And it is sure not safe with the vehicles here. Not for a rider at my skill level or lack thereof.
 

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Of course, and a bike path is the perfect place for someone to gain confidence. What I find irksome is someone balling the jack down some bike path expressing their indignation that people don't clear out of their way, that's simply uncivil.
 

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On a lot of the silver comet I won't run on the side b/c it's pitched....I'll run down the middle...but I can hear bikes coming...so I don't get in the way...<br><br>
Edited to say I meant to quote Muzicgirl...
 

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In an ideal world, people would do to just as you think they should. However, in the real world it doesn't work that way. Most people may not even realize there are rules for what is really a multi-use path. Heck, even on the roads people often do very strange things and accidents happen as a result - and that's with rules that most people do know.<br><br>
I agree with Jroden, this type of path is not a place to get in a serious workout. Trying to ride fast is just an invitation to making yourself frustrated/angry/irritated, etc. I use these types of trails/paths as a form of recreational riding or for commuting. For any real biking I head outside the city into the open roads out in the countryside.
 

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I sometimes run 2 wide with my running partner but we also pay attention (like you) and move out of the damn way when faster runners or bikes approach.
 

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Here in So. Cal, most roads do not have bike paths, and those that do, often have cars parked in them. Yes the city has marked parking spaces in the bike lane on busy roads every few blocks. There is no countryside for 150 miles. About 1 out of 100 cars which equals about every 3 minutes someone will swerve their car close to you just because they don't think bikes should share the road with cars.<br><br>
The only place to practice is on bike paths
 

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This is a requirement in Germany. I worry somedays about getting Carpel Tunnel in my thumb because I am on the bell continuously.<br><br>
The Germans will jump for the bell 90% of the time. If not my bell sounds like a machine gun as I keep dinging it.<br><br>
If the situation seems a little dicey I always ride directly at the suspect. Then if they jump in an unexpected direction I am set up to pull to the other side. I always have the plan to pass on the left, so if they do not move, I still have my route planned out.<br><br>
I actually have a lot more problem running. Every run I think "I got to bring my bell" I normally stomp my foot and that tends to get their attention and they move.<br><br>
I agree with JRoden, if you are on a small shared-use path, take it easy.<br><br>
My biggest pet peeve is when someone looks right at me, then proceeds to either move into my path, or not make any move to get out of the way. those idiots would do well being run into a little.
 

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Is that LA area? I had some great rides in San Diego and San Francisco when I visited, but have heard LA is a mess for riding. Just driving was an experience.
 

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I always respect what JR has to say about cycling and he makes some excellent points about bike path use and I do agree... to a point. We have a wonderful bike trail system here in metro Denver and most of the sections I use are pretty wide (not like the path in a city park) and multi use trails (I use the gravelly ones for running and have to share those with horses quite frequently). In fact, cyclists are encouraged to use these paths and stay off the streets (unless there is a designated lane). I'm also lucky enough to live within 1 mile of a great state park that is usually busy with cyclists. Honestly, the paths I'm using here are used predominantly by cyclists, much more so than peds or kids. Oh yeah, and I am slow.<br><br>
I also try to stay away from the bike paths during busier times and find 5:30am-7:00am to be pretty good in terms of low traffic volumes. Most secondary streets also have a bike lane and I use those as well. I just like to mix it up and try riding new routes. Since I'm still so new at this and still trying hard to build up my confidence, I'm just trying to learn what I should do and what I should expect.<br><br>
I certainly don't want to be a hazard but I think I have as much of a right to ride the bike paths as someone walking their dog. In general, I'm very cautious... perhaps too much sometimes (hence my fear of speed!). As always, I appreciate the input and everyone's perspective.
 

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Welcome to my life. When I'm out in the racing chair or the handcycle, I have this problem. I usually find it's some idiot running/walking with the a headset or pods in the ears.<br><br>
If you run/walk with those things on, yes, I'm calling you an idiot. But it's not personal.
 

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I will say that i ride with the right earpiece in and the music turndown low just so i can barely hear it. The left ear is exposed to all the road noise. I run the same way. I want to listen to my music and at the same time not be a hinderance to people that are faster than me.<br>
last week on my ride there was a old guy walking his dog i gave out a on your left and the dog started to come after me. later on that same ride i came up on a slow rider enjoying a nice leisurely saturday morning ride and when i said on your left she got spook and nearly crashed. the weird part was she was over on the left side of the lane and i wasn't sure if i should or could pass on the right side.
 

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Yes this is LA Orange County. And I forgot to mention, if anyone is on the path either pedestrian or cyclist, I slow way down and get up on the hoods.<br><br>
I just don't trust anyone, so best to be safe. But surface streets for the most part are not a great option. I was thinking riding in Buffalo in good weather might be a bit different than LA in terms of safety on the roads.
 

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I live well outside of buffalo, but our whole region is losing population and had plenty of roads. On a lot of my training routes, I don't see a car for an hour, sometimes the road just turns to dirt.<br><br>
I'd imagine LA is pretty difficult, I had a friend who lived in Chicago and he ended up riding the trainer a lot because the roads were so congested. I enjoyd riding in San Francisco, once you get out of the city the roads were nice.
 

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Yes roads are nice here too if you can find a place without too much traffic. But even the out of the way roads in the canyon have at least one car a minute going at 65 mph.<br><br>
Oh and for some reason, they will fix the road but not the bike lane. So in addition to gravel, broken glass and debris in our bike lanes, we also have cracks wide enough to swallow a tire, and potholes in the bike lanes. Guess they are trying to save money.
 

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Cash, head up to Ventura county. Lots of very wide, well-groomed shoulders up here. Lots of hills in most areas, too. But I now live in an area when I can head inland for hills or head toward the ocean for flats... within a mile or two out my door, I hit the strawberry fields. They don't go forever.... they just sometimes feel that way with stiff headwind. PCH north of Pepperdine has a nice wide shoulder most places and fewer beach goers carrying surfboards across your path. There are a few dicey areas where you have to worry falling rocks as much as speeding cars. But I've only been hit once so far... and never yet by a falling rock.<br><br>
What about heading south through Camp Pendleton? Traffic there is limited by base security... and it's easier to out run tanks than most SUVs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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I can't ride as far as Ventura yet, nor can I afford gas at 4.25 a gallon to get there.<br><br>
Camp Pendleton would be a 40 mile ride one way. And the Marines do not always allow you on base, depending on what manuevers they are doing or perceived threat to the base.
 

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That's not quite the issue. More about idiot people with no awareness of their surroundings. I think we all agree that cyclists yield, but hard to yield when four people are walking abreast.
 

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I was riding in the bike lane last week. Plenty of parked cars along the side. I was going slow and was anticipating someone opening their door into me. Sure enough, just as I came up on the rear of a car, a woman opened her door. The first thing out of my mouth was, "Whoa Nelly!" I have no idea where that came from but it certainly caught her attention. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/director.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="director">
 
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