[McTortle]

And Ladies <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
Grizzly's response to Bux's tiny waist thread got me thinking.<br><br>
What is the difference between a beauty and a sexual attraction? Is there one? How is it really different?<br><br>
Is it just an internal distinction? Or are there people who are incredibly beautiful but not sexually attractive? What about the opposite, can you have someone who is incredibly sexually attractive but not beautiful?<br><br>
I think I know what I think - but I'm wondering about y'all. . .

 

[RandMart]

I reserve the right not to answer that question, as guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

 

[equinox marathon 43]

On the advice of counsel I refuse to answer Madame Mayor under the rights afforded me under the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution.<br><br>
That's almost as good as "I have no recollection of that Senator on the grounds if I did have a recollection, it would incriminate me."

 

[Buxtehude]

RandMart is smart!

 

[equinox marathon 43]

Besides Madame Mayor, Who are you calling Gentlemen???? <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"><img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[McTortle]

<img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
I'm not trying to get anyone into trouble - I'm just really curious.<br><br>
For instance, I know that I'm attracted instantly, but I don't really see people as beautiful until after I get to know them. But then once I do know them - I don't see them as I did before.<br><br>
which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[RandMart]

Oh, in that case ... A famous spandex wearing singer whose guitarist is currently suffering from unspecified medical conditions was once asked: "Dave, what do you like in a woman?"<br><br><i>"Me."</i>

 

[Grizzly]

Oh gee, I guess I'll wade in, but don't judge all males by my feeble attempts at this. It's kinda like premature exposition.<br>
At its base beauty to me is a total package, and what I find beautiful I know that others would not. That seems counter-intuitive, there is something in us that thinks that beauty is a universal truth or so plain that it cannot be denied. While I think that there is certainly a core that most humans can relate to as "beautiful" it is much more subjective than that.<br>
On the sexual attractiveness scale? Well that's far more subjective. In my case I ain't going to point to one quality and say "That's a turn on", because wouldn't you know it, 10 minutes later my head might turn the other way. I've found "boyish" girls attractive and Sophia attractive... circumstance and timing have a lot to do with it.<br>
I've seen someone very attractive and then been immediately turned off by the cigarette that they're holding. It can all be about mood...<br>
But let me stop avoiding your question and attempt an answer.<br>
People who are incredibly beautiful but not sexually attractive? Slam dunk no-brainer for me: Mother Theresa. Okay, let's not go for the low hanging fruit. Someone my age or younger... I can't come up with any examples of people whom you would know - or at least not off the top of my head.<br>
People who are incredibly attractive but not beautiful? Gawd there are scores of them ranging from that bitch at work (generic example) to starlets like Scarlet Johansen... I am judging based on interviews I've read and seen of her, and I know that's not f

 

[Grizzly]

Oh gee, I guess I'll wade in, but don't judge all males by my feeble attempts at this. It's kinda like premature exposition.<br>
At its base beauty to me is a total package, and what I find beautiful I know that others would not. That seems counter-intuitive, there is something in us that thinks that beauty is a universal truth or so plain that it cannot be denied. While I think that there is certainly a core that most humans can relate to as "beautiful" it is much more subjective than that.<br>
On the sexual attractiveness scale? Well that's far more subjective. In my case I ain't going to point to one quality and say "That's a turn on", because wouldn't you know it, 10 minutes later my head might turn the other way. I've found "boyish" girls attractive and Sophia attractive... circumstance and timing have a lot to do with it.<br>
I've seen someone very attractive and then been immediately turned off by the cigarette that they're holding. It can all be about mood...<br>
But let me stop avoiding your question and attempt an answer.<br>
People who are incredibly beautiful but not sexually attractive? Slam dunk no-brainer for me: Mother Theresa. Okay, let's not go for the low hanging fruit. Someone my age or younger... I can't come up with any examples of people whom you would know - or at least not off the top of my head.<br>
People who are incredibly attractive but not beautiful? Gawd there are scores of them ranging from that bitch at work (generic example) to starlets like Scarlet Johansen... I am judging based on interviews I've read and seen of her, and I know that's not fair,

 

[Grizzly]

Oh gee, I guess I'll wade in, but don't judge all males by my feeble attempts at this. It's kinda like premature exposition.<br>
At its base beauty to me is a total package, and what I find beautiful I know that others would not. That seems counter-intuitive, there is something in us that thinks that beauty is a universal truth or so plain that it cannot be denied. While I think that there is certainly a core that most humans can relate to as "beautiful" it is much more subjective than that.<br>
On the sexual attractiveness scale? Well that's far more subjective. In my case I ain't going to point to one quality and say "That's a turn on", because wouldn't you know it, 10 minutes later my head might turn the other way. I've found "boyish" girls attractive and Sophia attractive... circumstance and timing have a lot to do with it.<br>
I've seen someone very attractive and then been immediately turned off by the cigarette that they're holding. It can all be about mood...<br>
But let me stop avoiding your question and attempt an answer.<br>
People who are incredibly beautiful but not sexually attractive? Slam dunk no-brainer for me: Mother Theresa. Okay, let's not go for the low hanging fruit. Someone my age or younger... I can't come up with any examples of people whom you would know - or at least not off the top of my head.<br>
People who are incredibly attractive but not beautiful? Gawd there are scores of them ranging from that bitch at work (generic example) to starlets like Scarlet Johansen... I am judging based on interviews I've read and seen of her, and I know that's not fair, I

 

[RandMart]

There's a market for everyone ... hey, I'm married, and I <i>always</i> got picked last.

 

[Martin]

Beautiful, but not arousing:<br><br><img alt="" src="http://martin.daoust.free.fr/photos/paris_decembre_2003/ghirlandaio.jpg" style="border:0px solid;">

 

[clb]

The more intriguing question to me is, to what degree does another person's beauty or sexual come-hitherness matter? Let's say for example, you work with one person you find beautiful, one you can't really find any beauty in whatsoever, physically or spiritually, personality, what-have-you. So then what? Does your working relationship go on despite the dearth of pleasantness which beauty tends to bring? Do we have healthy functioning relationships with non-beautiful people?<br><br>
I would say, absolutely. We need beauty in our lives, I'm convinced, but just like someone here who once declared he was capable of gazing on beautiful works of art in a museum without feeling the need to rip them off the walls and carry them home, do we need to possess beauty in order to benefit from it?<br><br><br><br>
Well I don't anyhow. My friends are all ugly. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[Martin]

I always knew I was CLB's friend!

 

[clb]

It's true it's true!

 

[clb]

I guess my rhetorical question was to compare the function of beauty with its existence.<br><br>
You know - it's there but - so what?

 

[Gish]

I define it ,often, by the mood I'm in.<br><br><br><br>
When I get that feeling, sexually, I can be attracted to many women.<br><br>
I can always judge beauty, as in a beautiful painting, even though this too is subjective.

 

[fatmantrying]

On some levels, it's the difference between wanting to make mad passionate love to somebody, or just wanting to see them naked.

 

[duckgeek]

Rob Lowe is beautiful, but I have no interest in him. I used to feel the same way about Brooke Shields, but lately she's slowly turning into Maria Shriver and I'm not finding her beautiful anymore.

 

[HighHeat]

Yes, to all of the above. And an <i>enthusiastic</i> "yes" to the last two.<br><br>
As Grizz points out, there can be habits or traits that make someone one and not the other.<br><br>
There's not much chance that I'd find someone sexy if she smokes, lacks intelligence, or lacks of a sense of humor, no matter how beautiful she is. But confidence, wittiness, humor, and a sense of adventure can make someone sexy who might not <i>otherwise have been</i> beautiful...<br><br>
I'm unsure if I could <b>ultimately</b> find someone <i>sexy</i> but <b>not</b> <i>beautiful.</i> That which makes her sexy would also tend to make me see her as beautiful. But that's not the initial attractiveness that I think you're asking about...<br><br>
Now...<br><br>
Answering the 'beauty' portion of this is tricky because beautiful could mean so many different things.<br><br>
If you're speaking of physical beauty, then that's easy. The person is nice looking. Period. How you define that is up to you.<br><br>
But there's that not-easy-to-define 'inner' beauty that some people have. The kind of people who make you feel better about humanity and/or yourself. The kind of people who challenge you to be better in some way.<br><br>
Sexual attraction = <i><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Everything</span></i> else.<br><br><i>Before</i> you're with someone, things like confidence, humor, intelligence, style, how they flirt, how they walk, how they stand...<br><br><i>When</i> you're with them, it's how they smell,... or how they look at you,... or how they move when they're with you... or how their voice changes when they talk to you,... or their enthusiasm... or "that thing she does"... the list goes on.<br><br>
And thankfully, it's not either/or. It's a non-linear continuum with many shades of grey. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">