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<p>Welcome to our annual Newbie Question Amnesty Thread. Are you new to triathlon or multisport, long time lurker, or just make a new years resolution? This is your topic to ask any and all questions. We want to make your entry into multisport as fun and enjoyable as possible. So, don't make the hard work any harder then it has to be. Ask away. </p>
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<p>Rev3 HIM vs an Ironman branded HIM? </p>
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<p>I'm considering returning to HIM distance this season. I've done Timberman 3 times and while I do enjoy the race, the location, and organization it might be time to try something new.  Rev3 has a new race venue at Old Orchard Beach in Maine at the end of August. The timing is perfect, my SIL lives in the next town so I wouldn't have to spring for a hotel, and it would make for a family friendly weekend. </p>
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<p>Can anyone tell me about how well Rev3 are organized? ease of logistics? course support?  Thanks!</p>
 

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<p>I've done (2) Rev3 Events and both were better than any IM 70.3 race (and note, the IM 70.3 branded were far better than any other race venue, so I'm not knocking IM branded, just Rev weas better). There is always a family friendly venue nearby. They are a class act.</p>
 

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<p>I did the Oly at Rev3 Quassy in 2010.  Awesome!  Very well organized.  Pre-race info emailed to you & readily available on the web site.  Packet pick-up was fast & easy on the day before the race.  They take your photo & then display it on a large screen as you cross the finish line.  Transition area set up is great...I prefer the standing bike racks & love the personal name tag at "my slot."  I remember course support being great.  Well-marked courses & plenty of stuff at aid stations.  Got a string bag, short sleeve cotton t-shirt, and long sleeve tech finisher's shirt.  Expo pretty good.  Post-race chow OK.  They did a course preview ride in the month before the race & that was very well run, too.  Pre-ride meeting.  No one was dropped.</p>
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<p>I volunteered at Timberman 70.3 in 2008 and did the swim/bike portion as part of a 70.3 relay with my husband in 2009 and thought both of those years were great, but did notice a difference between the two years with 2008 being just a tiny bit more unique.</p>
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<p>Will be doing the Oly at Quassy again this year.</p>
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<p>I would be at the Old Orchard Beach race this year if I weren't already going to Cedar Point.  *Love* the lobster in the Rev3 R logo!  Many, including me, were really wishing for another Full Rev race to be announced for the East Coast.</p>
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<p>Do it!</p>
 

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<p>I would be at the Old Orchard Beach race this year if I weren't already going to Cedar Point. </p>
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<p>I will be at Cedar Point, too.  Yeah!</p>
 

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<p>I will be at Cedar Point, too.  Yeah!</p>
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<br><br><p>Very cool!  AdCo will be there as well.  The more, the merrier!</p>
 

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<p>I think em73 is planning for Old Orchard Beach 70/3 if she can and will be with us to help my tired butt but at Cedar Point! </p>
 

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<p>Hi guys - Finally took the trainer out of the box tonight and DH helped me get set up. Going to test it out after the littles are in bed. But I hopped on for a few minutes this afternoon and already have a few questions. I'm actually pretty excited to have an option to ride in the early morning (I won't ride in the dark).</p>
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<p>1. Do most of you use spinervals or something similar for workouts? Or just ride and vary your resistance to simulate road riding?</p>
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<p>2. Are trainer rides "harder" than road rides? The feel if it was a bit strange (in the 5 minutes I was on it) - just felt like I was already working harder.</p>
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<p>3. Do you hook up your computer to your back tire to get your distance, or just go by time (not that it really matters, just curious)?</p>
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<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jenotter</strong> <a href="/t/76047/newbie-question-amnesty#post_2024653"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><p>Hi guys - Finally took the trainer out of the box tonight and DH helped me get set up. Going to test it out after the littles are in bed. But I hopped on for a few minutes this afternoon and already have a few questions. I'm actually pretty excited to have an option to ride in the early morning (I won't ride in the dark).</p>
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<p>1. Do most of you use spinervals or something similar for workouts? Or just ride and vary your resistance to simulate road riding?</p>
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<p>2. Are trainer rides "harder" than road rides? The feel if it was a bit strange (in the 5 minutes I was on it) - just felt like I was already working harder.</p>
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<p>3. Do you hook up your computer to your back tire to get your distance, or just go by time (not that it really matters, just curious)?</p>
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<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
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1. Both. Easy long rides I use movies. But even the aerobic Spinervals has you do drills so they are good to do too.</p>
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<p>2. Most agree it is a little harder because there is no coasting. Also, your butt seems to not last as long. I think because if there no movement. Even turning your head causes some adjustment on your sit bones. So move around while on the trainer.</p>
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<p>3. If you don't have it on the back wheel now, I would not worry about it and estimate distance based on time. </p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jenotter</strong> <a href="/t/76047/newbie-question-amnesty#post_2024653"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><p>Hi guys - Finally took the trainer out of the box tonight and DH helped me get set up. Going to test it out after the littles are in bed. But I hopped on for a few minutes this afternoon and already have a few questions. I'm actually pretty excited to have an option to ride in the early morning (I won't ride in the dark).</p>
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<p>1. Do most of you use spinervals or something similar for workouts? Or just ride and vary your resistance to simulate road riding?</p>
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<p>2. Are trainer rides "harder" than road rides? The feel if it was a bit strange (in the 5 minutes I was on it) - just felt like I was already working harder.</p>
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<p>3. Do you hook up your computer to your back tire to get your distance, or just go by time (not that it really matters, just curious)?</p>
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<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
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<p>i almost always do a structured interval ride of 90-120 mins total.  once in a blue moon i do a shorter ride w/o structure.  I watch movies and pound off 2x20 mins and similar awfulness.</p>
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<p>trainer does feel harder for most people, the mental aspect and the constant load are tough, but it can be a good helper for your TT skills</p>
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<p>i use a power meter and download the workout.  Lacking that I use something to measure speed and heartrate and time.  Distance is meaningless.</p>
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<p>Look up "force intervals" if your legs are weak they are a good brick in the wall this time of year<br>
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<p>A little swim help, please?</p>
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<p>I'm a long time runner, longer time cyclist, but did my first sprint tri about 16 months ago. I'm thinking about 70.3 this year, but I have a really bad swim.</p>
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<p>Seriously, I'm always in the top 1/3 bike and run, but bottom 1/3 swim.  Now, while I'm nursing a stress fracture, it seems like a good time to improve my swim.  Specifically, I need to improve my body position.  I've used fins and a pull buoy to try to get the feel of how I should be positioned in the water, but my legs still sink when I swim.  I can swim a long way - I did a 2000 M straight set a couple of weeks ago, but I'm slow.  A knowledgable swimmer watched me and gave me some tips about keeping my head low in the water, etc.  But, it just played with my mind. Now, I feel like I can't even swim a lap without taking a wrong breath.</p>
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<p>So, here's what I'd like: what are the best drills / tools for improving body position? I need something I can incorporate, preferably without starting over.</p>
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<p>Thanks for this thread!</p>
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<p>Steve</p>
 

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<p>Steve,</p>
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<p>Take a lesson.  I am not a great swimmer, but I have taken a few clinics with video and it helped me immensely.  This can give you a good idea of what you need to do and let you see your mistakes.  A good coach will make a difference.  At the very least, find a masters swim team and see if you can get any advice.  I learned a TON by those things and the drills really do help, although you won't here me admit it too often.  <br>
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<p>I'm a long time runner, longer time cyclist, but did my first sprint tri about 16 months ago. I'm thinking about 70.3 this year, but I have a really bad swim.</p>
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<p>Seriously, I'm always in the top 1/3 bike and run, but bottom 1/3 swim.  Now, while I'm nursing a stress fracture, it seems like a good time to improve my swim.  Specifically, I need to improve my body position.  I've used fins and a pull buoy to try to get the feel of how I should be positioned in the water, but my legs still sink when I swim.  I can swim a long way - I did a 2000 M straight set a couple of weeks ago, but I'm slow.  A knowledgable swimmer watched me and gave me some tips about keeping my head low in the water, etc.  But, it just played with my mind. Now, I feel like I can't even swim a lap without taking a wrong breath.</p>
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<p>So, here's what I'd like: what are the best drills / tools for improving body position? I need something I can incorporate, preferably without starting over.</p>
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<p>Thanks for this thread!</p>
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<p>Steve</p>
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<p>A couple of things before I actually try and answer your question.</p>
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<p>- Many, if not most, runners suck at swimming.  Many of the things that make us good runners make us horrible swimmers.</p>
<p>- Swimming is all about form.  You have the world's greatest conditioning but if your form sucks, you'll be slow.  You can't muscle your way through the swim.</p>
<p>- The great thing about most triathlons is that the swim portion is relatively short.  You need to be a competent swimmer to be competitive, but you don't want to take too much time away from running and biking to get a marginal improvement in the swim.  Who cares if you come out of the water 10 min behind the strong swimmers, you can make that up easy on the bike and run.</p>
<p>- If your going to be doing a 70.3 then you'll most likely be wearing a wetsuit.  This is like swimming with a buoy.  Real swimmers hate wetsuits because they help poor swimmers much more than they do good swimmers.  Wetsuits help correct poor form (mostly by lifting the legs).  Good swimmers already have good form, that's why they're good, and so they don't gain as much from wetsuits.</p>
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<p>As AdCo mentioned, coaching, swim clinics and masters swim clubs are all great ways to get advice.  Nothing beats having someone watch you swim and tell you what you're doing wrong.  Other than having someone watch you and record it on video so they can show you what you're doing wrong.  If you can get video taken you'll be shocked at what you really look like in the water.</p>
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<p>If you don't want to do any of the above, consider getting a book.  Now some people love Total Immersion and some real swimmers will tell you it's garbage.  I don't think its a method that will make you a top swimmer, but follow it and you'll be a competent to good swimmer.  Here is their book specifically for Triathletes:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=kickrunners-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FTriathlon-Swimming-Made-Easy-Open-Water%2Fdp%2F1931009074" rel="norewrite" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Triathlon-Swimming-Made-Easy-Open-Water/dp/1931009074</a></p>
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<p>When you're doing drills, it's going to feel horrible.  You've probably got years of swimming the wrong way and your muscles have great memory.  The tendency, especially when you're tired, is to revert to muscle memory.  That only reinforces the wrong things you're doing.  If you really want to be successful in changing your stroke, you have to slow down and break things down to an elemental level.  It's like learning to run barefoot, you have to retrain your body.  The reality is most triathletes are not going to to take a few months off conditioning work to rebuild their swim.  But during the drills, slow down, focus on what the purpose of the drill is, do it as many times as you can stand.  Then go back to your normal stroke and try to focus on what you've been drilling, incorporating what you have learned.  When you start to get tired, stop, because you'll fall back to your old habits and lose the benefits of the drills.</p>
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<p>One drill I think is useful for balance and rotation is the 10/10 drill (I've also seen it called the switch drill).  Read about it here:  <a href="http://swimming.about.com/cs/techniquetips/a/Freestyl_Drills_3.htm" target="_blank">http://swimming.about.com/cs/techniquetips/a/Freestyl_Drills_3.htm</a>.  Another thing to do is just focus when you're swimming on pushing your chest down into the water.  It's going to feel different and weird.  It's supposed to.</p>
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<p>Good luck,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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<p>I'm a long time runner, longer time cyclist, but did my first sprint tri about 16 months ago. I'm thinking about 70.3 this year, but I have a really bad swim.</p>
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<p>Seriously, I'm always in the top 1/3 bike and run, but bottom 1/3 swim.  Now, while I'm nursing a stress fracture, it seems like a good time to improve my swim.  Specifically, I need to improve my body position.  I've used fins and a pull buoy to try to get the feel of how I should be positioned in the water, but my legs still sink when I swim.  I can swim a long way - I did a 2000 M straight set a couple of weeks ago, but I'm slow.  A knowledgable swimmer watched me and gave me some tips about keeping my head low in the water, etc.  But, it just played with my mind. Now, I feel like I can't even swim a lap without taking a wrong breath.</p>
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<p>So, here's what I'd like: what are the best drills / tools for improving body position? I need something I can incorporate, preferably without starting over.</p>
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<p>Thanks for this thread!</p>
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<p>Steve</p>
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<p>Thanks for the suggestions. I have read Swim training for Triathletes, and I have gotten remarkably better. My first season in the pool and my first open water swim was about 3:00/100M (no wetsuit), I'm now at about 2:00 - 2:05 at normal pace, and 1:50 at race pace. Still slow, I know, so during this time when I can't run, I thought I'd try to improve.</p>
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There's a masters swim club here in town but, to be honest, I'm intimidated.  I've put off taking a lesson, but I think it's probably the right next step.  Also, I'll check out the book. Thanks a bunch!</p>
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<p>Lessons will be the best. You can usually get a set of swim lessons at a reasonable cost. </p>
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<p>For some online background, this site will keep you busy for a while: <a href="http://www.swimsmooth.com/" target="_blank">http://www.swimsmooth.com/</a></p>
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<p>For the record, that's not too slow :) I swim about a 2:06 / 100M in the pool and I did my IM swim (placid, which tends to be fast and with a wetsuit in 1:14, so.. ) </p>
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<p>you're not too slow, but not fast enough to be a winner at those speeds, but as miek said, what makes most of you all *i'm a slow runner* a fast runner hurts you in the pool </p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>swallen1</strong> <a href="/t/76047/newbie-question-amnesty#post_2025993"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><p>Thanks for the suggestions. I have read Swim training for Triathletes, and I have gotten remarkably better. My first season in the pool and my first open water swim was about 3:00/100M (no wetsuit), I'm now at about 2:00 - 2:05 at normal pace, and 1:50 at race pace. Still slow, I know, so during this time when I can't run, I thought I'd try to improve.</p>
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There's a masters swim club here in town but, to be honest, I'm intimidated.  I've put off taking a lesson, but I think it's probably the right next step.  Also, I'll check out the book. Thanks a bunch!</p>
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<p>one important note:  the crappier the drill feels while you're doing it, the greater chance that you need to be doing that particular drill.   when you can do the drill correctly and effortlessly, you can drop the frequency of doing that particular drill, but you always want to be doing drills.</p>
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<p>the other thing I do (in addition to drills) is pick a mental focus for a particular regular set.  So I might be doing some medium aerobic intervals, but what I'm thinking about when I'm doing them is my particular "cue" (in my case, it's extend then bend, which I have now probably said to myself a million times.   it's a cue for correct arm position at the catch.)</p>
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