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<p>Her friend took her to the local arena to see this fellow preach. She fell asleep.</p>
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<p>Of course, being 68 years-old may have something to do with that.</p>
 

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<p>Apparently a little too calming.  <span><img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"></span></p>
 

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<p>I like to watch Joel Osteen every now and then.  He has an interesting sense of humor when delivering some of his sermons.</p>
 

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<p>She said "He was very nice and sweet, and told us we'd have our best year ever!"</p>
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<p>I guess that relaxed her, so she dozed off.</p>
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<p>He requested a donation (you could pay in one annual lump sum or with installments) and in addition to that, collection plates were passed around. Can you imagine how many plates were needed for a hockey arena? Can you imagine the careful planning that goes into the collection alone? Osteen explained "we don't show the money collecting on television, but..." and the plates came out.</p>
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<p>I know that all churches need donations, so that's not new and that mucho good is done with it. But I'm blown away by the organization required for Osteen's collections. That's a lot of plates.</p>
 

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<p>Oh, and at most, she tossed in a couple bucks in the plate.</p>
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<p>She wasn't really buying was Osteen was selling.</p>
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<p>Plus she's getting creamed in her divorce, so she's not donating or spending money anywhere, except to her grifter-alcoholic-spendthrift-ex-husband.</p>
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<p>My mom is paying alimony. Yes, alimony.</p>
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<p>Sigh...</p>
 

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<p>Maybe it is just me but when I catch him on TV he seems...I don't know the right word but I guess kind of slimey...like a bad used car salesman.</p>
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<p>And doesn't it seem a bit odd to pass collection plates after people have already paid to get in?</p>
 

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<p>He put me to sleep too.</p>
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<p>But, the only reason I watched him was because I was hung over, and too lazy/tired to get up and find the remote to change the channel.</p>
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<p>I've never watched him since I quit drinking.</p>
 

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<p>I've never been to whereever Osteen's church is.  I can't imagine he charges admission but it's his church.  That would be a deal killer for me.  I don't mind tithing to my church but I would have serious issues if they started charging to even enter the sanctuary and hear the Word.</p>
 

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He does stadium shows.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GaReb770</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/73495/my-mom-fell-asleep-at-a-joel-osteen-show#post_1995790"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I've never been to whereever Osteen's church is.  I can't imagine he charges admission but it's his church.  That would be a deal killer for me.  I don't mind tithing to my church but I would have serious issues if they started charging to even enter the sanctuary and hear the Word.</p>
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<p>I really liked him at first--years ago.  Then I realized that he was really just a motivational speaker.  I wasn't getting a lot of Bible references in his sermons--without the Bible, they're not sermons, they are motivational talks.  I kinda lost interest.<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GaReb770</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/73495/my-mom-fell-asleep-at-a-joel-osteen-show#post_1995790"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I've never been to whereever Osteen's church is.  I can't imagine he charges admission but it's his church.  That would be a deal killer for me.  I don't mind tithing to my church but I would have serious issues if they started charging to even enter the sanctuary and hear the Word.</p>
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He does stadium shows.</p>
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His church does have a home.  It's in downtown Houston, and it is an arena or was an arena.  They (the church) bought the arena where the Houston Rockets used to play and converted it into a more church like setting.  But it still holds like 15,000 people. </p>
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<p>15,000 people?!  Dang.  I used to go to a mega church.  Auditorium seats 4,000 and has three main services.  Sr pastor is a power hungry control freak.  They may have 10,000-12,000 each weekend, but it's a revolving door.  No one stays for more than a few years.</p>
 

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<p>I tend to agree.  I enjoy listening to him from time to time, but I do look at him more as a motivational Christian speaker as opposed to a Christian minister.    At my church we do the Bible readings prior to the Sermon and then the Sermon relates back to the scriptures so we don't generally recite the scripture again during the sermon.  Not having seen his Church from start to finish I can't be entirely sure how  he works scripture into his speeches/sermons.  I hear a few references but they are usually very short sentences as opposed to scripture readings.</p>
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<p>On the other hand some of his material still gives me things to ponder and is a change to bring some balance to me between my church and his comments  although I would probably never consider going to him if I was having a faith based issue I wanted to talk over with a pastor.  <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>airehead</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/73495/my-mom-fell-asleep-at-a-joel-osteen-show#post_1995861"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I really liked him at first--years ago.  Then I realized that he was really just a motivational speaker.  I wasn't getting a lot of Bible references in his sermons--without the Bible, they're not sermons, they are motivational talks.  I kinda lost interest.<br>
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<p>from wikipedia...regarding their sanctuary:</p>
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<p><em><strong>In late 2003, the church signed a long-term lease with the city of Houston to acquire the Compaq Center, a 29-year-old former sports arena.<sup class="reference" id="user_cite_ref-A_Sports_Arena_Gets_Religion_8-0"><a href="#user_cite_note-A_Sports_Arena_Gets_Religion-8"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="color:#0645AD;"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></span></span></a></sup> Before being acquired by Lakewood, tenants to the arena, once called The Summit, included the <a href="/wiki/Houston_Rockets"><span style="color:#0645AD;">Houston Rockets</span></a>, the <a href="/wiki/Houston_Aeros"><span style="color:#0645AD;">Houston Aeros</span></a>, and the <a href="/wiki/Houston_Comets"><span style="color:#0645AD;">Houston Comets</span></a>.</strong></em></p>
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<p><em><strong>On July 16, 2005, Lakewood Church relocated from its old building in northeast Houston into its new home, a 16,800-seat facility</strong></em></p>
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<p>I saw Billy Joel on the Innocent Man tour in this same building in the spring of 1987. </p>
 

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At what point is it a "show" and not a church? I suspect that line is crossed long before one starts converting stadiums into "churches". I wonder how much money he makes personally off his nonprofit endeavor.<br>
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His church does have a home.  It's in downtown Houston, and it is an arena or was an arena.  They (the church) bought the arena where the Houston Rockets used to play and converted it into a more church like setting.  But it still holds like 15,000 people. </p>
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<p>Well, he's supposed to blink in the image...</p>
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