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I just want to thank you all for the great advice you monster runners give out all the time.<br><img alt="notworthy.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/notworthy.gif"><br><br>
Short version: <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif"> we missed the cut off by 6 minutes.<br>
We needed to make it to the 35K in 5:30 and we did in 5:36.<br><br>
Full version here:<br><br><a href="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/showthread.php?p=530374#post530374" target="_blank">http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/sho...374#post530374</a>
 

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You are going to have to map your training both terrian and elevation to the race. Your time suggests you were a little underprepared spo learn from this so the next time will be better.<br><br>
If you are running on rough terrain and your ankle is rolling there are some fairly simple ankle taping techniques that will keep you from rolling over AND you will not know the tape is there. While I don't have weak ankles per se, I still tape for all trail races. The tape inavriably saves my life many times in a race when I'm not paying the utmost attention or for longer races that take you into the dark and you can't see every nook and cranny.<br><br>
I would also suggest you tape during training runs to allow the tendons to heal and get stronger.<br><br>
There are also plastic casts you can buy that are light weight that achieve the stability. Some people don't like the resitrictive feel of these strapo ons. I prefere a $1's worth of tape.
 

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Thanks for the input Pithydoug. I suck at taping my foot. I ran MCM and Richmond with an injured tendon and I know I wouldn't have had so much freaking pain if I had managed to tape it. I tried, but couldn't do it right, so I said screw it. But for trails, I may need to figure that out. I will check on those plastic casts...the idea scares me a bit, but I won't know til i try.
 

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I'm off for run(catch the warmest part of day in the NE) but when I get some time later I'll try to spit out a very simple technique that with just a little practice will solve this. Later tater.
 

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Bummer about the DNF, but like Doug said try to learn from this experience and kick butt on the next one. Good luck in your next race!
 

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I've only been running since Oct and just ran my first 50K Jan 5th. I'm 40 years old and finished in 7:14 I'm attempting my first 50 miler on Feb 2nd and only hope to finish.So I guess ya just gotta get out there and do it and the finishes will come and the DNF's will go away.<img alt="banana.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/banana.gif">
 

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There is no doubt that there is some degree of "go out and try." OTOH, it should not be that large a crap shoot. To generate some dialog, what are you doing different in your training for your 50 over your past 50k? Or more narrowly, tell us about your bread and butter long runs, not in miles but in hours and if you know, elevation(at least as compared to the race). I'm a little concerned with a 7 hour 50k time extrapolated to the 50 mile.<br><br>
The 50 mile is not just 19 more miles but almost twice the effort for most people and their first try. If one pays their dues up front in training and does not let their adrenalin push them to hard at the start, you should be ok. Food, drink, temp and salt become even more of a factor over time in 50 miles than 50k. For instance, for 50k I can eat a big breakfast before the race and get by on a handful of Newtons or cookies during the race. For 50 miles I had best be chowing down early and frequently. Not gouging but constant calories. I'm sure you have been experimenting with this in training, right? <img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"><br><br>
I see the 100 only has about 5,400 feet which is almost flat compared to many. Notice I did not say easy, 100 miles is still 10 miles. If the 50 is 50% of the 100(a swag) then it's a good race to start with.<br><br>
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Let's take a shot at taping.<br><br><br>
Shave your legs about two to three inches above you ankle or removing the tape will bring tears to your eyes. Yes guys shave or your macho attitude will generate some loud expletives and burning from post race irritation.<br><br>
To over-simplify, it’s a series of three stirrups and three slightly above the ankle (two to three inches) going around your leg. Put your leg up a chair or bed and starting about two inches above one side of your ankle covering about one third of you ankle then under your foot and up the other side. Can you say symmetry. If you press the tape as you apply, it will follow the contour of your ankle and not be too tight. Other than the initial feel of the tape, it should not be pulling. You are NOT trying to keep your ankle in place. The tape simply comes along for the ride. Once you stumble and start to go over a few degrees the tape will hold. It will not be until that first time you twist you will learn to trust the tape. A little like a male baseball catcher that wears a protective cup – it’s not until the errant pitch that you learn to appreciate the protection an save Ernie and the twins.<br><br>
Back to taping. Remember you’re doing 1/3 of the ankle per stirrup. Your feet should be dry and clean and make sure the tape does not have any wrinkles especially under your foot. Once that first stirrup feels right (it make take a try or two to get the correct feeling but thereafter a no-brainer) wrap another band about two inches above your ankle. Then do the next stirrup overlapping the next third. The overlapping technique interlocks. Do the same with next piece around you leg by overlapping by a third. In essence you end up three overlapping interlocked under your foot and around you ankle. And not too tight around your leg either, you don’t want to stop or even slow circulation. I like to add another few loops around the top.<br><br>
If you’re wearing low socks the tape will stick out. The name of the game is protection not how we look. I don't usually stare at a women's feet to anticipate dating. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br><br>
As for tape there are many brands out there and some better than others. I have used 1 inch Johnson&Johnson athletic tape and it had it stay an entire race to include many water crossings and solid mud.<br><br>
While we are covering taping I’ll offer another place for preventative blisters. Even with gaiters there will be little bits of “trail nature” that work into your shoe invariably inside your sock such that you have take your shoe off to remove the piece(s). You can use that some roll of J&J tape and from the ball of foot to the heel area overlap pieces of tape under your foot and connect on top. Again no wrinkles. That layer of tape across the bottom and usually tender part of the foot will prevent those pieces of mother nature from causing blisters. Most times you will not even feel the small pieces and not have to stop.<br><br>
You can do none, one or both.
 

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Doug, thank you so much! I actually copied and saved to try it this weekend. Sounds like what my PT tought me, but I am a dork doing those things. I guess maybe I have to practice a bit until I get it right. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> Do you use that skin tape (not sure if that's what's called)? under the actual tape?<br><br>
oh, and BTW, I care less about the way it will look... you should see me with my HIP taped all way down my leg when I was bouncing back from bursitis <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> let's say it was an entertaining view <img alt="rolleyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/rolleyes.gif">
 

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Try just the tape against your skin. If for some reason such as real sweaty feet there is<span style="font-size:smaller;">tincture of benzoic.<br><br>
What no tattoo's of you first love? <img alt="angel8.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/angel8.gif"><br></span>
 

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Thanks Doug.<br><br>
Shave huh....mmm<br>
The concept kinda<br>
makes me nervous.<br><br>
oh, I'm sorry.<br>
Hy Ty.<br>
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I think I know why. You're really Jessie the Body Ventura with a beard. I can understand the difficulty being a runner and love object. I used to have that problem before my face started to resemble a prune. Now I model for the raisin industry and hang out a assisted living complexes with fake SS checks. <img alt="sad2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad2.gif">
 

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<img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> you should try the shaving if you have to tape your hip <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">
 

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This thread has taken an interesting turn from a DNF to tattoos, shaving and taping. I can't wait to see where it takes us next <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Doug, does the SS stands for Sex Symbol? <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
Myron, somebody may bring on the handcuffs, I heard they are great on trails, is that true?
 
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