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<p>Holy cow!  The city of Bell in California is imploding over the recently discovered pay of several city officials. </p>
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<p>Bell, one of the poorest cities in Los Angeles County, pays its top officials some of the highest salaries in the nation, including nearly $800,000 annually for its city manager (nearly twice the pay of President Obama), according to documents reviewed by The Times. ...  Rizzo earns nearly $800,000 a year, believed to make him the highest-paid city manager in California and possibly the nation. Adams makes $457,000 — 50% more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck — and Spaccia makes $376,288, more than the top administrator for Los Angeles County.
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<p>I had no idea you could make such good money working for cities.  As they are all complaining about going broke and having trouble balancing budgets, these people are making pretty hefty salaries on the public dime. </p>
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<p>I really am shocked.  How is it that these public employees can make so much more than the President?  People are incensed at what top executives make, but their salaries are approved by boards and are supposedly tied to profits.  Lets leave the financial industry out of this discussion for now since they obviously operate in the same vacuum as city employees.  But city employees?  While the cities and counties and states are going broke, how does one even begin to justify those salaries?</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ym</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/69066/my-city-is-more-corrupt-than-your-city#post_1925788"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I had no idea you could make such good money working for cities. </p>
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You can't.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Notey</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/69066/my-city-is-more-corrupt-than-your-city#post_1925818"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><p><br><br>
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Well, apparently in California you can.  I predict a whole bunch of cities will follow suit and there will be a shake-up in city politics.  Apparently, there is also an investigation into the salaries of part-time employees who are bringing in $100,000/year. </p>
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<p>Most of the reported salaries in this area are over $200,000 per year.  For a city the size of Los Angeles,  or NYC, or Chicago, maybe that's appropriate.  But for a city like Bell? </p>
 

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Well, apparently in California you can.  I predict a whole bunch of cities will follow suit and there will be a shake-up in city politics.  Apparently, there is also an investigation into the salaries of part-time employees who are bringing in $100,000/year. </p>
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<p>Most of the reported salaries in this area are over $200,000 per year.  For a city the size of Los Angeles,  or NYC, or Chicago, maybe that's appropriate.  But for a city like Bell? </p>
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I said they can't because they stepped down.  Obviously they knew the jig was up.<br>
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I said they can't because they stepped down.  Obviously they knew the jig was up.<br>
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<p>Oh, yeah.  The jig may be up, but I'm surprised at all the posturing and how they think they're worth it.  Gag.<br>
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<p>Dunno. I think that one dude gets a $700K/year pension.<br><br>
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I said they can't because they stepped down.  Obviously they knew the jig was up.<br>
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<p>Unless its Bell.  800K US for a City Manager?  Hokey Doodle.  I think our CAO makes in the high 200's. <br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>muzicgrl</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/69066/my-city-is-more-corrupt-than-your-city#post_1925860"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>When your city is run by the mexican mafia and drug cartels thats what happens.</p>
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Has this been mentioned anywhere?  The city does have a majority of hispanic citizens, but the city manager and his assistant both have Italian last names.  I wouldn't suspect the Mexican Mafia or drug cartels in that case.</p>
 

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<p>It's the Mayor and Council approving the pay scale.  My guess is that in a small tax base community they'd bee looking pretty closely at all salaries unless they were trying to hire a "star" to promote development/increase in tax base to make they a have community instead of a have not. </p>
 

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No it hasnt been said outright.</p>
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<p>And the city is apparently 90% mexican;very, very poor; city council elections were never once contested until 2007; and apparently is a well know gang controlled area according to what I found online. Very very suspicious.<br>
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Has this been mentioned anywhere?  The city does have a majority of hispanic citizens, but the city manager and his assistant both have Italian last names.  I wouldn't suspect the Mexican Mafia or drug cartels in that case.</p>
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<p>My mayor killed her daughter then killed herself a couple of weeks ago...now stuff is coming out about how she lied to her daughter about her daughter being accepted into the University of Texas, misappropriated funds, and a lot of other shocking stuff.  <strong>TAKE THAT CALI</strong>!!!!  WHO'S CORRUPT NOW???</p>
 

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I said they can't because they stepped down.  Obviously they knew the jig was up.<br>
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If I correctly remember what I heard, they stepped down now becuase if they didn't step down now, the town could have had time to change the contracts or what-not.  By stepping down now, they are eligible for their lofty pensions for the rest of their lives and there's nothing anyone can do about it.  So basically, they'll get paid more for stepping down than they would if they stayed to fight for their jobs. <br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ym</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/69066/my-city-is-more-corrupt-than-your-city#post_1925788"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I had no idea you could make such good money working for cities.  As they are all complaining about going broke and having trouble balancing budgets, these people are making pretty hefty salaries on the public dime. </p>
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<p>I really am shocked.  How is it that these public employees can make so much more than the President?  People are incensed at what top executives make, but their salaries are approved by boards and are supposedly tied to profits.  Lets leave the financial industry out of this discussion for now since they obviously operate in the same vacuum as city employees.  But city employees?  While the cities and counties and states are going broke, how does one even begin to justify those salaries?</p>
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<p>In the private sector, you have boards and stockholders and tons of other people who keep their eyes on how much the executives make.  Their salaries are public knowledge to anybody who cares, and there are plenty of people who care.  If the company isn't doing well, those executives get booted out.</p>
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<p>But in the public sector, there aren't as many people who care.  Your average Joe Schmo isn't paying attention to how much the police chief or school superintendent makes.  Certainly not to the degree that a stockholder pays attention to the CEO.  So the city officials are able to quietly give themselves hefty raises without anybody knowing about it.  Basically, everybody who does know about it is in on the take. </p>
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<p>Thank goodness the L.A. Times did this research and exposed this scam.  I'm sure there are hundreds of other towns around the country that do the same thing.  Hopefully other people will take notice of what happened in Bell, and will start to scrutinize the pay of high-ranking city officials, just like stockholders do for executives of private companies.  Maybe trimming a bit of this fat can help the U.S. out of the recession and out of the fiscal insanity that is so prevalent now...</p>
 

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<p>In Toronto and Ontario we have the annual <a href="http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/publications/salarydisclosure/2010/" target="_blank">Sunshine list</a> for public sector employees making over $100,000 a year.  Most are police, firefighters and transit employees doing paid duty or overtime. </p>
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<p><em>Ontario's "sunshine list" of people in the broader public service making more than $100,000 per year grew by an additional 10,000 members in 2009, a rise of 18 per cent over 2008.</em></p>
<p><em>The total number on the broader public service list is 63,761, or about five per cent of what's known as Ontario's broader public service.</em></p>
<p><em>There are 4,210 Toronto municipal public servants on the list:</em></p>
<ul><li><em>City of Toronto - 2,071</em></li>
<li><em>Toronto Police Service - 1,329</em></li>
<li><em>Toronto Transit Commission - 724</em></li>
</ul><p><em>In a news release issued Wednesday, the city said that is an increase of 519 over 2008 and represents 4.6 per cent of its workforce.</em></p>
<p><em>However, it blamed the 39-day municipal strike last summer for pushing that number up, saying about 428 non-union employees with base salaries of less than $100,000 in 2009 earned more than that due to strike-related overtime.</em></p>
<p><em>"Had the labour disruption not occurred, the City of Toronto would only have an additional 91 employees on the 2009 salary disclosure list," the city said.</em></p>
<p><em>It also claimed that if the $100,000 threshold -- first introduced by the Progressive Conservative government of Premier Mike Harris in 1996 -- had been adjusted for inflation, the list would only include people making more than $128,409.</em></p>
<p><em>"This would include only 523 city employees in 2009," it said.</em></p>
<p><em>However, the city said that number doesn't including police, library or transit employees, or those of the city's numerous agencies, boards and commissions.</em></p>
<p><em>Premier Dalton McGuinty told reporters he's not in favour of raising the limit.</em></p>
<p><em>"I think $100,000 is still a lot of money from an Ontario family's perspective," McGuinty said. "I think they appreciate the transparency associated with this."</em></p>
<p><em>McGuinty also defended the number of public sector workers earning more than $100,000.</em></p>
<p><em>"We've got to pay people what's fair," he said, noting that there are a far greater proportion of employees in the private sector with six-figure incomes.</em></p>
<p><em>The biggest 2009 earner was Jim Hankinson, the former president and CEO of Ontario Power Generation. He was paid $2.1 million in salary and bonuses in 2009.</em></p>
<p><em>Two of the other three top earners were also hydro executives.</em></p>
<p><em>Matthew Teitelbaum, CEO of the Art Gallery of Ontario, hit the number-three spot with $981,000 in salary and bonuses in 2009. However, his compensation is paid by donations to the gallery, which has had a number of layoffs.</em><span style="display:none;"> </span></p>
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I completely disagree with this. Public sector employees pay is 100% transparent and published and publishing them (sometimes linked to names) is a tactic often used by unions and others. You wont find a private company willing to publish salary info.</p>
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<p>In the case of Bell nobody cared...they could have found the info quite easily if someone looked. They had an election where only 300 people voted, for petes sake.</p>
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<p>In the private sector, you have boards and stockholders and tons of other people who keep their eyes on how much the executives make.  Their salaries are public knowledge to anybody who cares, and there are plenty of people who care.  If the company isn't doing well, those executives get booted out.</p>
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<p>But in the public sector, there aren't as many people who care.  Your average Joe Schmo isn't paying attention to how much the police chief or school superintendent makes.  Certainly not to the degree that a stockholder pays attention to the CEO.  So the city officials are able to quietly give themselves hefty raises without anybody knowing about it.  Basically, everybody who does know about it is in on the take. </p>
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<p>Thank goodness the L.A. Times did this research and exposed this scam.  I'm sure there are hundreds of other towns around the country that do the same thing.  Hopefully other people will take notice of what happened in Bell, and will start to scrutinize the pay of high-ranking city officials, just like stockholders do for executives of private companies.  Maybe trimming a bit of this fat can help the U.S. out of the recession and out of the fiscal insanity that is so prevalent now...</p>
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