Sorry for the qoutes Theia. Not a fun AM. When it pours for a couple of hours and the temps are in the mid 20's, you end up with a lot of ice. Just salted my driveway. Probably 1/2 inch of solid ice on it. Temps are now righ about freezing, so hopefully between the salt and rising temps, I will be able to get out of my house at some point today.