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If I allow myself to look down the road, MMT is a race I wish to run someday. I'm thinking 2009 might be the year.<br><br>
I thought to start a thread here since there are some MMT vets in this audience. I remember a similar thread in the CR ultra forum.<br><br>
Is it too early to plan for MMT in '09? I have a healthy fear of the rocky Massanutten range.<br><br>
Anyone signed up for the rock dance in '08?
 

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I was signed up for '07 but had to back out due to a family obligation.<br><br>
I am once again in for '08 as one of the lucky scholarship winners for which I am eternally grateful.<br><br>
I am NOT scared of the rocks at all. Mainly because I have grown up in and currently reside in New Hampshire.. aka. THE GRANITE STATE. Certainly I am sure that the MMT course will have its on unique display of geology that I am certainly will be a fine challenge, but having hiked the rocky trails of NH for the last 15 years and having run them for the last 4, I'm not too worried. Conversations with other MMT vets (The Pero's and Doc Horton), who have also run the rocky trails of NH agree that I "should be just fine." <img alt="cool.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/cool.gif"><br><br>
It is NOT too early to plan for MMT. I might suggest you run another 100 miler first if you all ready haven't. Preferably something with some elevation gain above 15,000' But then again.. I've yet to run it myself.<br><br>
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Roots- didn't you pace there a couple years ago?
 

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You paced there last year, right, roots? You've seen some of the uglier parts of the course and know how a runner's pace can fall off considerably in the later stages of MMT.<br><br>
Running it my first time a few years ago, it was hard for me to wrap my head around how slow the second half of the race was (or even <i>seemed</i>, as my perception of time changed with the fatigue). The aid stations are far apart during those later miles, and it felt like sometimes they'd never come. An 8 or 9 mile section felt like eternity. All I can say is, if you're not patient, learn to be so during MMT.
 

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Brennan, I remember watching you come through Gap Creek as I waited for my runner.<br><br>
Totally agree with you on the nighttime pace. On the rocks of Kerns or Short Mtn, in the middle of the night, its amazing to believe that 2 MPH is making good time! Yeah, 8 miles between aid stations = 4 hours!
 

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Another thing I find tough are the "false descents" from the ridgelines--like on Kerns or Short. Just when you begin to descend, imagining you're going to hit an aid station soon, you find yourself having to climb back up to the ridgeline--seemingly no closer to that aid station.<br><br>
Are you coming back this year, Lloyd? If you need a runner to pace, I can drum one up for you. Or is Dave coming out? We ran together a bit at Promise Land a few weeks before MMT last year.
 

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Yeah, the decent to Edinburgh Gap tantalizes. You can hear the generators running, thinking you're close, but then turn away for an extra mile or so before arriving at the AS. Short Mountain ain't so short, eh?<br><br>
I remember Dave telling the Promise Land tale. He is entered into MMT again. If I go, I will pace for him again. I imagine Dave would be thrilled to run a time like you did last year.<br><br>
I remember you recommending that I send my blog RR to the VHTRC. I have one for both BRR and MMT for last year. I think I will do so.<br><br>
Good luck getting into HR.
 

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it may be too soon to focus on this, but did you guys write up any rr's? emmy is definitely in this year!! and i'll be doing the pacing!
 

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being a newbie trail lurker person here, I will def volunteer for this if it brings in a bunch of KR people <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Never too soon, Frank. Check out LLoyd's pacer report on his blog (linked at the bottom of his post), and my report from 2 years ago is here:<br><br><a href="http://www.vhtrc.org/mmt/2006/wysong.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vhtrc.org/mmt/2006/wysong.htm</a><br><br>
Plenty more reports on the VHTRC Web site. I give a shout-out at the end of my report for those I found particularly helpful.<br><br>
The course is a bit different than 2006 now--tougher, what with the run down Waterfall.
 

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Thanks, for the well wishes with HR. If I get in, maybe we'll both be pacing at Massanutten this year.<br><br>
Are you doing BRR again this year? If you decide to do another 50 in Va., Bel Monte Easter weekend s/b interesting. Some folk from NYC are heading down.<br><br>
And, yes, send your reports to Anstr. I really appreciate these reports on the VHTRC Web site; they offer a really nice intro for runners and pacers both.
 

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<a href="http://rootsrunner.blogspot.com/2007/05/mmt-pacer-report.html" target="_blank">http://rootsrunner.blogspot.com/2007...er-report.html</a>
 

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yeah...I'm still in and actually looking forward to it --isn't that a crazy thought <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">. Can't be more pleased that Run Dangerously will pace me, even if it is 2 miles an hour...need some long hikes and plan to do that in Feb/march and over my April spring vacation...have read that pacers are allowed after 6 p.m. --so time to start researching ---thx for the reports.<br>
And Batmomm --you can choose, according to the MMT website, to pace from any aid station so you can pick your distance <img alt="surprised.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/surprised.gif"> -
 

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I would consider Massanutten for 2009 unless I end up running WS again.
 

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Not if you're pacing the middle to back of the pack. We are slow. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Cool!! I'll take the back, middle might still be too optimistic <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">
 

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no, you don't have to be fast to pace --it's the opposite. The runner enduring 100 miles will be less-rested and slower than you. but you do have to be trained to go the distance and have patience, optimism and endurance<img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"> --when I paced R.Dangerously in the VT 100 last year, it took us 9-10 hours to do 30 miles --we power-hiked alot of it, and I was responsible for making sure that at aid stations he had fluids and drinks (caffiene! also, as he wanted to stop and go to sleep) and a change of clothes, as he was shiverng and it got quite cold...we also changed his socks!, etc. --Pacing is a big help to anyone and can make the difference beween stopping and finishing. Doesn't matter if it's 10,20,30 or 40 miles.<br>
Mentally, the runners are fighting a battle of sleep-loss and they need companionship.
 

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I'm registered for MMT '08, but only plan on racing it if I'm fortunate enough to get drawn in the Hardrock lottery 100 this weekend. My plan would be to not race MMT, but to use it as a toughening experience. Man, do I hate those rocks. Regardless, I'll be out there to pace if I'm not racing.
 
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