[Yo Sake]

<p>Hi, I am a lurker here and more active at multisports forum.</p>
<p>For those who are familiar with Daniels' book, I have two questions;</p>
<p>1.  What do you think the peak min. weekly mileage that would make this plan still work?  For example, if your peak is only 45mpw, most of the long run will be only 12miles (suggested 25% of the total), except the ones of 22miles or 2.5hrs. </p>
<p>2.  Would this plan make sense for somebody who runs 1:40 half looking for 3:35 marathon?  Judging from the guideline of miles and duration (i.e. long run of 22miles or 2.5hrs), the level of runners they have in mind might be those who run long run at 6:50min/mile.  You can cover only 17miles or so in 2.5hrs if you are training to run 3;35marathon.</p>
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<p>Your thoughts?  </p>

 

[JenRuns]

<p>Are you talking about yourself?  Are you planning on training for a marathon with a peak at 45?  What would you want to average over the weeks, 35ish?  I think that's really light on mileage for racing a marathon, in my opinion. </p>
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<p>A 1:40 half time should get you to 3:35 pretty easily, if you train properly for the full.   To me, that means lots of long runs and longer tempos...at least that's what works for me.</p>
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<p>My thoughts are that maybe a Pfitz lower mileage plan would better work out better for you.  I've known a lot of lower mileage folks who have done really well with his plans!  I've also heard the Hanson plans go really short on long runs for lower mileage runners, but I don't know the details, I think it's more quality based everyday runs to make up for the lack of distance.  That's probably something to look into, as well!  I have a faster (sub-2:50) friend who uses the Hanson's approach and it worked really well for him.  I don't think he ever went over 16 for a long run but ran really hard on almost of his runs and did those long runs on very tired legs with the idea that they already felt like they had 10 miles on them at the start.</p>
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<p>We are all an experiment of one, so maybe a Daniels plan will work out for you.  I just think if you want to reach your goal time with that you should try to bump up the mileage quite a bit.  I can't imagine, for myself, trying to race a marathon on less than 70 miles or so a week of quality training with several 20-22 milers.</p>
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<p>I'm sure others will chime in with their opinions, too, and they probably have better ideas than I do.   </p>

 

[Yo Sake]

<p>Thanks for your reply Jen.  Yes I am talking about myself.  My peak for all of my marathons training (6) except the first one (peaked 55) was around 45mpw.  I keep 40~45 for the course of a marathon training except a few recovery week and I cross-train (I am a triathlete) 4-6hrs/wk.  And I have followed more or less Pftiz'w 55mpw plan for all of the past marathon training (recovery runs are often replaced by swim/bike).  I have run 1:40 half a few times during the last few years but my marathon PR is still from 2004 (my first) at 3:44.. I am stuck around 3:44-:46.  So, long story short, I am looking for a new plan for 2011 Boston.  As you pointed out, it may be the volume that is lacking here to get to 3:35.  Funny you mentioned about Hanson's.... I have contacted them for a consulatation, I am waiting to hear from them.</p>
<p>I should be hitting 50mpw this week with all base building.  So I am ready to start something more structured.  I am considering to drop swim/bike sessions to hit 60mpw but I don't think I can handle 70...  </p>

 

[JenRuns]

<p>Okay, cool!  It's time to change it up, for sure if your stuck and have been using the same basic plan. </p>
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<p>I think 60/wk would help out, a lot!  If you aren't injury prone, and run your easy runs slow enough, I bet 70 would be fine, as well.  It sounds like you have a nice base!  Mileage will get you where you want to be .  If you really, really want that marathon PR maybe it would be fun to cut out or way back on the bike for a few months and see how that changes things?  I bet you could break 3:30 with a run based program and increased mileage with that 1:40 half!  You'll be crazy fit and those biking legs will come right back after your race!</p>
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<p>If your aim is Boston, it's time to get moving, 100 days to go!  Pop in our "Spring Trainers" thread and introduce yourself!  There are a few of us aiming at Boston.</p>
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<p>Let us know what Hanson's says!  I'm interested to hear what they tell you!</p>

 

[Rainey]

<p> I never ran a full when I was running higher mileage.  I agree that a 1:40 half equals a 3;30 predicted or excected time with proper training. </p>
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<p>More intensity-  but 2 days a week off</p>
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<p>To me it's not so much the adding tremendous miles/week, same miles during the week just do 2-3 20's and a 22 at 90% of race pace (key) not 1 minute plus a mile slow as some suggest.</p>
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<p>long runs 12-13-14-12-16-12-18-20-12-20-12-22</p>
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<p>And doing mile repeats at 5k, 10k pace work up to 6       </p>
<p>1 interval mile, 1 easy mile -thats one, do this on the short weekend</p>