[GaReb770]

<p>Now, how are we going to teach fire and brimstone at church without our guns to demonstrate the effects of sin?  Does this mean we have to go back to simply stoning thieves, adulterers, gays and others we disagree with?  Guns are so much more effective than  stoning.  I mean, sometimes those gays just might throw a stone back at you..</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/judge-upholds-ban-on-815301.html" target="_blank">http://www.ajc.com/news/judge-upholds-ban-on-815301.html</a></p>

 

[Mrtambalynman]

<p>Those damn liberal judges legislating from the bench! </p>

 

[Grizzly]

<p>Well, I can argue their case for them.  What's so special about a church that you have to ban guns there?  A constitutional right (let's not go there for the moment arguers) should be a right everywhere, no?</p>

 

[altoids]

<p>I haven't clicked the link, there is so much crazy just in the title of this thread.   </p>

 

[yar]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979615"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Well, I can argue their case for them.  What's so special about a church that you have to ban guns there?  A constitutional right (let's not go there for the moment arguers) should be a right everywhere, no?</p>
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All right have limitations.  Speech, assembly, press, religion - none of these rights is an absolute  "whatever you damn please".</p>
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<p>yar<br>
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[4boysmom]

<p>I don't own a gun and don't ever plan to own a gun.  So this decision doesn't affect me personally.  However--</p>
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<p>I know that there have been death threats against pastors and their families.  Yes, banning guns in church could protect the pastor.  But, if someone is really determined to shoot the pastor, are they really going to obey that ban?  Should the security team not be allowed to carry guns to protect the pastor and congregation?</p>
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<p>The church I attend is in a pretty bad neighborhood.  Services are in the evening and it's not uncommon for me to be heading to my car as late as 10 or 11pm.  Women do not walk to their car alone, a guy always escorts us.  Should a woman be permitted to carry a gun for her protection?  Leaving it locked in the car wouldn't really help if she needs it to walk from the church to her car.  Plus, cars are broken into on a regular basis there.</p>

 

[gretriever]

<p>You need more snake-handlers in church. That's in the Bible. But then you'll see bumper stickers saying "When snakes are outlawed, then only outlaws will own snakes."</p>
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<p>I'm not sure why a law is needed. If you're going to a place of worship for the intended purpose, isn't it counter to your religious teachings to bring a weapon in the first place? Other than that, it's a building, just a building like a store or office. The laws on the book should apply.</p>

 

[kerfwango]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>yar</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979651"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979615"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Well, I can argue their case for them.  What's so special about a church that you have to ban guns there?  A constitutional right (let's not go there for the moment arguers) should be a right everywhere, no?</p>
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All right have limitations. </p>
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<br><br><p> Then they're not rights.</p>

 

[kerfwango]

<p><em>"A federal judge has upheld the Georgia law banning weapons in churches, mosques and synagogues, <strong>saying gun rights advocates had not shown that carrying a firearm is necessary to practicing any religion</strong>."</em></p>
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<p>Interesting bit of judicial reasoning.</p>

 

[runfishhunt]

<p>Not much that is reasonable about his reasoning in my book.</p>

 

[Mrtambalynman]

<p>A church is private property, and I believe a property owner has the right to restrict guns on their premisis. </p>

 

[Mrtambalynman]

<p>unfortunately, I don't think its that black and white. <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979660"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>yar</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979651"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979615"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Well, I can argue their case for them.  What's so special about a church that you have to ban guns there?  A constitutional right (let's not go there for the moment arguers) should be a right everywhere, no?</p>
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All right have limitations. </p>
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<br><br><p> Then they're not rights.</p>
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[rnrlowe]

<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">I had to carry a firearm on a daily basis during my entire military career. I have never known of a firearm just discharging itself just because it did. I'm not saying it never happened I'm saying I never saw it happen in 25 years. I personally believe that laws restricting firearms ownership do very little to curb crime. I also don't believe that there is any reason for any firearm owner to possess a weapon that can discharge more than six rounds at time. There is no need for a semi-automatic rifle that can fire the same number of rounds. And the number six is an arbitrary number, I freely admit that. The average person can’t control a semiautomatic pistol. After the second shot there is no telling where the round will go. In 25 years I only fired my weapon on full automatic at the range during requalification. One reason I don’t smoke is that I thought it was a waste of money. I feel the same about popping off anything more than three shots at a time. Perhaps individuals should be required to attend a firearms safety course before they can take possession (legally) of a firearm. Then they should be able to carry it anywhere they want as long as it’s out in the open for all to see. I’m thinking that if someone wants to do harm they are more likely to pick on someone that’s not armed vs. someone that is armed and knows how to use a firearm.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">I can understand where the judge is coming from. Churches, Synagogues, Temples, or Mosques, are supposed to be safe havens and places of peace and worship. Banning firearms there is like putting up a No Fishing sign. Only the individuals that respect the worship center will respect the law. It won’t prevent someone from walking in and creating havoc.</span></span></p>

 

[kerfwango]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Mrtambalynman</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979715"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>A church is private property, and I believe a property owner has the right to restrict guns on their premisis. </p>
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Absolutely.</p>
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<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Mrtambalynman</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979716"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>unfortunately, I don't think its that black and white. <br><br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979660"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>yar</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979651"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979615"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Well, I can argue their case for them.  What's so special about a church that you have to ban guns there?  A constitutional right (let's not go there for the moment arguers) should be a right everywhere, no?</p>
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All right have limitations. </p>
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<br><br><p> Then they're not rights.</p>
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<p>It's certainly not in the modern, reinterpreted version of the term 'rights'. But what the state refers to as rights are actually privileges to which it has deemed itself the authority to bestow and limit at its convenience.</p>

 

[Mrtambalynman]

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I've always figured that the presence of fire arms just meant that the criminal element just needed to escalate the level of violence they were prepared to inflict to achieve their goal.  See a guy carrying a gun that you want to rob - walk up behind him and shoot him in the back of his head.  easy peasy.  Gang bangers who are obviously packing get offed by their competitors all the time.  I don't see more guns making things safer.   <br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>rnrlowe</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979742"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">....Perhaps individuals should be required to attend a firearms safety course before they can take possession (legally) of a firearm. Then they should be able to carry it anywhere they want as long as it’s out in the open for all to see. I’m thinking that if someone wants to do harm they are more likely to pick on someone that’s not armed vs. someone that is armed and knows how to use a firearm...</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">.</span></span></p>
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[rnrlowe]

<p>Perhaps your right IDK. However I stand by my opinion in that the only people that will follow this law or ruling were individuals that would follow it in the first place. How about this idea. Insted of banning firearms how about stricter controls on the ammunition. I think the 2nd amendment protects the right of own a firearm, but doesn't even address the ammunition. Just a thought.</p>

 

[kerfwango]

<p>Then why bother with a 2nd amendment at all?</p>

 

[mrscoby78]

<p>There are bans on guns in public places everywhere.  Schools.  Courtrooms.  Why is this any different?  There is 0 reason...ZERO...that anyone "needs" to have a gun at a church.</p>
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<p>For the record, I'm not a big gun advocate.  I have a plain ol' handgun in my home.  I know how to use it.  I get that some folks enjoy hunting (not my thing, but fine).   I think the "I'm safer" arguement is BS.  That guy might have one, so I need one?  Please.   I don't believe the Founding Fathers intended for us all to walk around with one on our hips, just for the sake of carrying one around.  They wrote the 2nd Amendment because the "rabble" were our soldiers, they needed to be ready to fight at all times.  Make the laws tougher and make the punishments rougher for gangs and violent criminals.</p>

 

[airehead]

<p><br>
I think all rights carry responsibilities, rather than limitations.  It's probably semantics.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/72339/judge-upholds-georgia-ban-against-guns-in-churches#post_1979660"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><br><br><p> Then they're not rights.</p>
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