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Alright, you know my story. ITBS on left side, coming up on two years since my HM. I started doing MUCH more weights for my legs and butt. Toe Jam showed me stretches and told me to foam roll my right side as well as my left. I've even been foam rolling my hammies, calves and IT bands. I use the stick, too. OUCH! So, yesterday, I go to the gym and I can't even run, my RIGHT knee is bothering me. WTH?? So, I walked at an incline of like 5.0 of 5.5 for 40 minutes and then got on the bike.<br><br>
I don't understand. Should I be focusing on weights and stretching only right now and not even trying to run? I'm just so gosh dang frustrated that I could cry. I need to run! I refuse to wear a strap, I don't want to mask the issues, I want to correct them. I am beginning to believe what my PT guys said over a year ago. Maybe I'm not meant to be a runner. That makes me very sad.<br><br>
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I know how you feel; this can be pretty frustrating. I have itbs on my right side, and there are times when it stops me in the middle of an otherwise perfect run. Some days/runs are worse than others, but I won't take any time off. Oddly enough - when I do, it seems to come back worse than before. I have talked with a pt and am going for deep tissue massage starting next week. I have been religiously stretching, foam rolling my right side and was just prescribed anti-inflammatories. The pt said she won't tell me to stop running, just to cut back on the really long runs for awhile. I'm very determined to get rid of this...I have a lot of important runs in the future, and running is my way of keeping my sanity. Please don't listen to those pt people...you ARE meant to run. You just need to figure out what's causing this problem. I'm working on doing the same. I'll keep you posted...
 

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Solitude, I know nothing about ITB issues, but Batmomm's was really bad and she got totally rid of it through ART. PM her. She has a lot of good stuff to share. I hope you find your answers soon.
 

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I've had a lot of itb issues in the past and tried a lot of things to fix it. What finally worked for me was strengthening and stretching my hip. To strengthen I did a lot of side leg lifts. To stretch it I used to sit in a chair, put the ankle of the bad leg on the knee of the other leg, then lean forward. When I started doing the leg lifts I could only do about 10-12. If you try it and can do a lot more than that your itb is probably caused by something else.
 

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I had a similar story to you, <b>Soli</b> - I had ITBS issues with the right leg and did all the requisite foam roller/stretches/etc. I recovered and things were looking great with the racing, then I did this muddy trail race 3 weeks before my goal race and the OPPOSITE ITB was tweaked.<br><br>
I ran the goal race at a slower pace and managed not to tweak it too much more, but it was at that stage where I had to do something a bit more drastic to get the thing loosened up. I found someone who knew ART and in three weeks I was able to start running again. If you know someone in your area who is a practicioner, you might want to give them a shot.
 

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No, the left still bugs me, I'm just frustrated that the right one is hurting now, also. :grrr:<br>
We think we know what the problem is. I was just fine until the guy who owns the running store told me my gait was all wrong and helped me fix <img alt="roll_eyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif"> it. Yeah, ok, whatever. I went back in my training and realized that when my problems started is right after his advice. I'm still seething about that one. I've had to train myself all over again to run how I did before, instead of the new, jackassery way he told me to.<br>
Thank you, I'll PM her. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
Shoot, when I get on the ground to do leg lifts I do 20 on each side and do it at least 4 times. I was thinking it wasn't hard and that I was going to start putting a weight on the top of upper thigh. More resistance.<br>
My pain, not irritation, but sharp pain in my (usually) left knee hits me about .2 of a mile in. Highly frustrated. Whereas before, I could make it at least 7 miles before I'd notice a slight twinge.<br><br>
Went to ART today. Ohmyholyheavens, it hurts so bad. Yet, I sat there grimacing and wondering how soon I'd be able to run again. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"> I know we've got to break up adhesions, I just am a wuss. I'd rather go through labor and delivery than ART.
 

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Soli - Can you tell me the specifics of ART? I'm supposed to go for deep tissue massage next week, but I'm thinking I should work with an ART therapist instead. I've heard a million good things about it and how it takes away the ITBS quickly. I'm perfectly willing to go through the pain, but I'm curious about what actually causes the pain. What do they do? How do you feel now... after the appt.?
 

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I remember back when I had some serious ITBS 3 years ago. The same thing happened when it switched legs. The culpirt? As I was working on the first offender, I totally ignored the other leg. So when I got started running again, the other leg was tight, and voila. ITBS on the other side.
 

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Well, I remembered you telling me to roll both sides, so I started doing that. I foam roll both sides AND use my (less-firm <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"> yellow) stick on it as well. I hate my legs.<br><br><img alt="sad5.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad5.gif">
 

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OOoh, I keep forgetting to ask. One of the things my ART guy told me to do is wrap one of those giant elastic bands around my knees when I do leg presses. Push out against the band as well as forward with my feet. I *always* forget to take it with me to the gym. Is that something that I really would benefit from? Don't flog me too hard...
 

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I am suffering from this, as well. It is good to hear that someone else has noticed that time off does NO GOOD. I am seeing a Graston/ART chiro, rolling, and icing. I am able to run about 4 miles right now without hurting TOO bad. It still hurts, but it's better, and I have only had one visit. I go back today, and will probably go back a number of times before it's better.
 

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I had ITBS as well and have now been running non-ITBS for {knock on wood} 17 months. I could not get beyond 3 miles when I had it and so far to date, have had a long run of 15 miles w/o symptoms. My sports chiro did a couple sessions of ART, I went to PT for a few months and still have to keep up with the pt exercises I learned - such as using a theraband to strengthen outer quads/hip flexor areas, and a foam roller to roll out IT band. I also try to make it a point to do leg strengthening weights at the gym, even though I'm not very diligent about that. My chiro also noted that my legs are uneven, but the source of that is not a true leg length discrepancy, but rather my pelvis gets out of alignment so about once every month, or maybe more if I'm running more mileage, I get an adjustment. I think all of these things, as well as switching shoes that are a better fit for me, helped me with my ITBS issues. It sounds like yours might be even worse than what I had, although mine was pretty bad as well. It seems like everyone I've talked to that has had IT issues, had a different thing or combination of things that helped them beat it. Unfortunately, it is one of those running injuries that can be chronic and can be hard to overcome, but I've actually heard from very few people that were never able to get past it. It just usually takes awhile to find the thing, or combination of things, that worked for that person. I would give ART a shot and you might want to re-assess the brand/model of running shoes you are wearing also.
 

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Myofascial Release is another good massage technique that is good for treating ITBS and PF. I get it done on my feet whenever they start to bother me. I had a bad, acute case of runners knee/ITBS last year and lots of myofascial release, almost daily acupuncture, and icing, seemed to resolve it pretty fast. It's all about finding the right combination of techniques that will help you.
 

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Soli! Stick with the ART!! GottaRun PMed me and I told her my story, same sad story every ITBS sufferer has and how ART changed my life. She just PMed me today to share about her best ever HM! Yes it <b>holy MFing hell</b> will hurt in the beginning but that proves the problem. Assuming that you have corrected with shoes, orthos, etc and you continue to stretch, once the adhesions are taken care of you should be on the road again.<br><br>
I ran a race with my ART guy today (well I ran welllll behind him, lol) and reminded him that this March is my 1 yr anniversary of when he saved my (IT) life. I have also had him work on PF, tendonitis, achillies, etc, etc.
 

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batmomm, did your ART guy have you do anything besides the treatments? Mine told me to do more strength training. Ad/abductors and glutes. Told me to do lots of squats, one legged squats, lunges and leg lifts, too. I'm still highly frustrated. Even with doing weights I still have the issues. I used to make it at least 7 miles before the pain would start. Now...maybe .2 in I feel it. I swear, maybe I'm not meant to run.<br><br>
ART is only $38 a time, so, I'm willing to keep going. I just don't know if it is helping. I never had issues with my calves, but Toe Jam convinced me they are probably too tight. I stretched them and did trigger point in CA and the next day I was feeling it. I guess most everything is more tight than it should be. I've got a lot of work to do.<br><br>
I just want to run. <img alt="sad5.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad5.gif">
 

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It's pretty normal for it to get worse before it gets better, in my experience! Stick with it and get someone who lives there check your form on the exercises....Do I need to post pics of the exercises so you can see form?
 

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Becca, I don't see how it can get worse than it is right now. Or maybe that is your point. To tell me that it is just going to get better from here on out. Who knows.<br><br>
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hey, umm yeah he told me to do like stuff, but... <img alt="rolleyes.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/rolleyes.gif"><br><br>
I started seeing him about 2 weeks before my first HM. I went 3x first week, 2-3x the second week, suffered throught the HM, then went prob 2x a week for 2 weeks and then down to once a week and now just for maintenance. It def did get worse while being treated and I thought he was a f%^$R#@% quack. Then one day I was running and realized that I had passed the usual pain points and then I could go further and it was like a drug <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
Yep I also have/had tight calves, hammy, quads, etc. It's all connected so it all matters. Check out tis video of some good stretches...<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0Edu8sxRk&NR=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0Edu8sxRk&NR=1</a>
 
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