[OakDawg]

First let me state that I understand why we have all these set rules and standards for software design at our company. With a wide range of developers, a need for high levels of security and a desire to have the best possible performance it makes sense to have rules that are dictated by a team with just those ideas in mind.<br><br>
However, when I spend my free time writing very complex code and making quick progress towards my goals, seeing that progress unfold minute by minute and fixing any problems I run into by searching the internet and making it work by any means necessary, it is frustrating as hell to come back to work and be thwarted at every turn and be told that I can't do a certain thing because we have to do it another way.<br><br>
As I am just beginning to code for our main Application its quite possible that I'll get used to the way we do things and it won't be such an issue. It may even better the personal things I write as I'll have a better knowledge of what is and what isn't efficient and safe. But right now it makes me want to throw things. I'm a function guy...if it works, I'm happy. This design, review, design, review, design, review crap makes me want to punch myself in the face.

 

[Gingerbread]

Dude, don't punch yourself in the face, punch someone else...

 

[McTortle]

Um - okay, I'm working on this one. . .<br><br>
yeah- I got nothing here.<br><br>
Sorry, dear - hang in there.

 

[razzzzzz]

Yep. That's one of the reasons I always hated writing code for a living. One of many, mind you.<br><br>
I will add that as a security guy, I'm glad to hear that you application guys are taking security into account when writing code these days. Just don't start buttoning up your apps too tight, or I'll not be able to make a living. <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">

 

[Lintu]

Sometimes rules are there for a reason you just don't know yet.<br><br>
Sometimes they really are just stupid.

 

[techgoddess]

Sorry you're frustrated, but a big fat "way to go!!" to your company for putting the security in the beginning of the process, not the end.<br><br>
Considering all the time and money the IT industry spends patching security holes in software and operating systems, it sure makes more sense to do it right in the first place.

 

[OakDawg]

Absolutely, though with as tightly locked down as many of our clients are, it seems overkill at times. I'm all for what we're trying to do here (hell, I'm ON the architecture team that comes up with a lot of these rules...though I'm far enough down the chain of command that I'm rarely even consulted on that stuff) it just makes me crazy when I spend a week generating a few classes...something I can do in a few minutes on my own.<br><br>
I didn't win the lottery so I guess I'll have to figure out how to cope.

 

[Horrible Peanut]

You will do it and you will fucking like it.<br><br>
Don't make me pull out my Project Manager stare on you<br><br><img alt="neutral.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/neutral.gif"> *stare*

 

[techgoddess]

<img alt="icon_salut.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_salut.gif"><br><br>
I've been dealing with a project manager with another bank, a bank we're buying a branch from, actually, and this woman is like the mother of all project managers. I swear to god, I've never met her in person, but I believe she's wearing black leather and wielding a whip - she's my hero! She runs the tightest project calls I've ever experienced, and nobody even dares step out of line.<br><br>
I want to be her when I grow up. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[OakDawg]

I think its less not wanting to do it and wishing the rules would go away (although there is some of that) as much as its wishing I could figure out all the rules and get it right so I didn't spend so much time re-writing and re-designing.<br><br>
Its like I walk into the building and I have to learn how to walk all over again...except I can walk just fine outside the building.

 

[OakDawg]

If it means you running the office in black leather...I want to come work for you when I grow up.<br><br>
Yikes!

 

[HighHeat]

are they accepting applications?

 

[Horrible Peanut]

I make jokes, but It's the Project Manager's job to carry you until you learn to walk- and make sure that you're comfortable with the way to walk- but more importantly- walk with an efficiency that you get from Point A to Point B inside the time estimated in the forcasts. If you can't- it's the fault of the PM and the PM alone.

 

[HighHeat]

heh.<br><br>
i love when PM's make forecasts without consulting the business, and then get pissed at the business for not delivering on forecast.<br><br>
good times! <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[Horrible Peanut]

<img alt="wave.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wave.gif"> I've been a bad bad PM. My forcasts have a 10:8 burn to forecast ratio. I need to be disciplined. Can I get my nipples clamped?<br><br><img alt="uhoh2.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/uhoh2.gif"> I mean... er...

 

[Horrible Peanut]

What kind of an idiotic PM forcasts without consulting the developer??? <img alt="icon_scratch.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_scratch.gif">

 

[OakDawg]

I think they're doing ok at that (I don't really have a PM per say...there are two main people that have knowledge of what I'm trying to do) it just bugs the crap out of me that I can't make faster progress. They keep saying it takes about 3 years to fully understand everything and I'm only 1.5 years in, but with as much as things change around here I'm not sure how that 3 year number is going to hold up.

 

[techgoddess]

Well, it's important that the people on the project know who's in charge, that's all. <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"><br><br>
Hang in there OakDawg, you'll get the hang of it. And if not, we'll arrange for some punishment. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[McTortle]

Okay, I think I'm ready now.<br><br>
So - back in the day when you were wrestling, you had to learn the moves and then you had to learn how to internalize them, right? And, even when it was frustrating, every practice session got you a little bit further ahead.<br><br>
This isn't any different - (okay, other than the whole not wrestling, you're working in a job and have some idea what's happening. . .so really it isn't at all the same except for the frustration part. . .)<br><br>
One day at a time, one practice at a time builds up and upon what you know and how much you can do.<br><br>
The fact that you are frustrated now is a good thing. You're not bored, you're not underworked, you're not underappreciated. You're in a challenging position and you are living up to that challenge.<br><br>
And, later this week you're going to go to that thing that you want to . . . <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">

 

[Horrible Peanut]

<img alt="icon_salut.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_salut.gif"> the client.