I have worn Saucony ProGrid Triumph 4s for the last 4 pairs I've gone through. I usually get just shy of 400 miles on them. Tried others, they don't work for me (knees issues, custom orthotics). I buy all my shoes at my LRS -- the owner has become a sort of coach and friend to me, and I want to support him. The 4s, however, are discontinued, and the 5s have a different cut -- which, according to my LRS guy, won't work for me. Since I'm training for a marathon in early May, I don't want to figure out a new shoe now, so my LRS guy helped me find a pair of the 4s online. I pay $120 in the store minus a discount they give me. I paid, with shipping, about $85 for the online discontinued pair. When I need new shoes again, I'll be back at the LRS for sure...