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I have always been a vague supporter of genetically modified food. I still think it might have it's place, but it's disconcerting to read that genetically modified corn used for food in the US causes organ damage in rats.<br><br><a href="http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm" target="_blank">http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm</a>
 

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I've not been a supporter. Especially since the butterfly incident.<br><br>
But what do I know?
 

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Bioengineered?..Genetically-modified?...Hybridized?<br>
What's the difference? I dunno.<br>
I do know in the past 50-yrs, between corn & soy, we're eating nothing remotely close to what it used to be and strains of seeds' ownership controls just about everything...that is if the documentary Food Inc is true. Crazy world.<br>
If I run enough, I'll offset some of the crapola is my hope :shrug:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">All corn is genetically modified. Most of the produce we eat is.</div>
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As I said, I have generally been a supporter of genetically modified food. My thinking was that 1) most food has been genetically modified if only by selective breeding. 2) with all the people in the world,we need to produce lots of food. This means paying attention to crop yield.<br><br>
The thing is, early genetic modification was just selective breeding. The newer version is much more complicated. Also, when you start breeding plants to produce insecticides, it isn't really shocking that eating the plant can cause some of the same kinds of damage as eating insecticide.<br><br>
I guess the problem is we don't know what we are getting. I try to watch what I eat and don't want to eat poison.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">As I said, I have generally been a supporter of genetically modified food. My thinking was that 1) most food has been genetically modified if only by selective breeding. 2) with all the people in the world,we need to produce lots of food. This means paying attention to crop yield.<br><br><b>The thing is, early genetic modification was just selective breeding. The newer version is much more complicated. Also, when you start breeding plants to produce insecticides, it isn't really shocking that eating the plant can cause some of the same kinds of damage as eating insecticide.</b><br><br>
I guess the problem is we don't know what we are getting. I try to watch what I eat and don't want to eat poison.</div>
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That's what bothers me about it. The very odd uses of the modifications. That and the lack of biodiversity.
 

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Seems like the real health issue raised by this study is pesticide residue, not GM.<br><br>
I was pretty amazed by the drought resistant GM corn I saw this fall in central North Dakota. Miles and miles of perfect dryland corn on land which would normally only be suitable for rangeland. Seems like would be a handy thing to have in water-limited areas of the globe with lots of hungry people.
 

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I'm hungry<br><br><img alt="" src="http://83.98.28.10/4homes/images/mb/Channel4/4homes/cleaning/Stains/Grease,%20Fats%20And%20Oils/corn-on-the-cob-lg.jpg" style="border:0px solid;">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Seems like the real health issue raised by this study is pesticide residue, not GM.<br><br>
I was pretty amazed by the drought resistant GM corn I saw this fall in central North Dakota. Miles and miles of perfect dryland corn on land which would normally only be suitable for rangeland. Seems like would be a handy thing to have in water-limited areas of the globe with lots of hungry people.</div>
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If I read the study right, it wasn't pesticide residue. I think the corn produced it's own "natural" insecticide. One of the corn varieties was designed to tolerate broad-spectrum herbicides, (so-called 'Roundup-ready' corn), while the other two contain bacteria-derived proteins that have insecticide properties.<br><br>
The benefits of GM corn are pretty obvious like the dry land corn you cite. There may not be enough attention paid to the downside.
 

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Doesnt bother me at all. Its really not much different than selective breeding....except you have much more control over what is being produced.<br><br>
Things like insulin and antibiotics have been produced by genetically modified organisms for years and years.<br><br>
But I am biased because I genetically modify organisms on a weekly basis.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If I read the study right, it wasn't pesticide residue. I think the corn produced it's own "natural" insecticide. One of the corn varieties was designed to tolerate broad-spectrum herbicides, (so-called 'Roundup-ready' corn), while the other two contain bacteria-derived proteins that have insecticide properties.</div>
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That's what I meant. If you modify corn to produce a toxin with insecticide properties (many plants do this naturally) the potential problems and questions are going to be related to the toxins, not because the corn is GM. It's dumb to discuss "GM plants and food - good or bad?" in a general sense.<br><br>
A lot of people see GM food and assume it's bad to consume because of something inherently dangerous in GM plants.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That's what I meant. If you modify corn to produce a toxin with insecticide properties (many plants do this naturally) the potential problems and questions are going to be related to the toxins, not because the corn is GM. It's dumb to discuss "GM plants and food - good or bad?" in a general sense.<br><br>
A lot of people see GM food and assume it's bad to consume because of something inherently dangerous in GM plants.</div>
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Exactly
 

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hybridiseation uses naturally existing genes and just selects for the best ones. Genetic engineering can do much more. I was generally supportive of the idea until I learned about the termination gene that effectively stops the production of viable seeds by a GMO. I perfectly well understand why Monsanto is doing this, but I don't think it serves us or the food system well. That in conjunction with the loss of so many heritage genetic foods gets me worried.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But I am biased because I genetically modify organisms on a weekly basis.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Does Antag know your having artificial orgasms? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"></div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">hybridiseation uses naturally existing genes and just selects for the best ones. Genetic engineering can do much more. I was generally supportive of the idea until I learned about the termination gene that effectively stops the production of viable seeds by a GMO. I perfectly well understand why Monsanto is doing this, but I don't think it serves us or the food system well. That in conjunction with the loss of so many heritage genetic foods gets me worried.</div>
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Yep.
 

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I was listening to an article on NPR about soy beans and how people companies have agreements and generations of products so that you can't use your own seeds or allow others to use competitors seeds, etc.. I think it genetic engineering has made some foods better, but has created risks for other things, but not knowing genetics, I don't know what the results are.
 
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