Full Moon Friday 0ctober 22

Dove · Oct 22, 2010

Hey, I get to start the daily! 
Cool morning in Arizona, I'm resting, but can't really sleep in. I've never been a good sleeper-inner. 
I'll go watch some softball later, then Opie and Labduck will pick me up for the check in and pre race meeting at Javelina Jeadquarters. We will finish the evening with McSolar. I'm looking forward to see all my friends. 
Have a great day everyone.

Pink · Oct 22, 2010

Good Morning Dove! GL and have fun this weekend! I'm sure Lab & Opie will be great crew support ( and I hope they take pictures). 
 
8.1 windy, slow miles this morning.
 
For those who plank, I'm curious as to how you hold your prone plank - on forearms or on hands like a pushup? Is there a benefit of one over the other? I've been using the forearms . . .
 
TW - my daughter's favorite animal is a pig! The little pink ones are cute! Our older version of kick used to have a pig smiley, guess it's gone . . .

tomwhite · Oct 22, 2010

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here is the picture of Claire's pig
 
for some reason it doesn't show up on her momma's computer ''Red River Hog'' to be specific
 
if you can't see this thing
it looks like a WildBoar crossed with A ReallyUglyDog
 
have a good race dove,
VERY consistent training Pink.
 
Back Issues this morning,
probably Pig Related..................but it still beats working.
 
..........................good running guys

Spareribs · Oct 22, 2010

Pink, I guess OM or SS should weigh in here, but I was taught to do planks on my forearms, and for side planks to make sure the top leg is forward, and to keep the body as straight as can be, no sagging.
 
Good luck Dove!
 
I don't schedule days off but will take one when it's obvious. Today I drove to the park, got about 200 yards into the run and said, "Not today." Both my knees were a little sore. So I did 50 pushups in the parking lot, got back in the car and drove home.
 
Everyone in the Dallas area is excited about tonight's baseball game, and the buzz in the sports world is that the Cowboys are so grateful to the Rangers for taking some of the media attention away from them during a time when the Cowboys are playing so poorly. Spareribs

hally · Oct 22, 2010

Dove, monopolizing all the Kick hotties. Taking after the Pro but vice versa. Have a great time!
 
Great Harvest Moon last night but this morning couldn't see it for the clouds. The sun was pretty coming up though. No rain in the forecast, hey what are those drops hitting my face during my run?
 
Hoping to get a ride in at least tomorrow.

mcsolar99 · Oct 22, 2010

tw: my fav. animal is the pig too! they're just sssooooo tasty.
 
dove: you're getting some spectacular weather here... cloudy and cool. it's because i've been scheduled to observe the sun on our telescope here for the past week... therefore we have set some precipitation records for the month of october. grrr. you'll have a great run, see you guys later!
 
13mi 9min/mi hilly. ran with the "visiting kid" rob fritz, who's going to run his first marathon at nyc in two weeks. lots of stories about running in the city as he joined us for 10 of his last 20 miler today. also ran with others in the tucson meetup.com running group, so it was a very social early 13 miler.
 
tough weekend with 20 miles running and 65 cycling ahead. my a$$ hurts just thinking about it. have a great weekend kickrunners!

ksrunr · Oct 22, 2010

Good luck Dove and pacers. Have fun.
 
McSolar I was going to say something along those lines. TW - next time Claire eats bacon...............
 
The news reported last night that scientists have found water on the moon by shooting a NASA rocket into a crater. 41 gals of ice and water vapor came out with the rest of the moon.
 
7.6 moh
 
laters,
ks

irunmike · Oct 22, 2010

GL Dove! Chew up those miles!
 
I do it on my forearms.
 
I had an interesting run today. 14 miles to work. Never checked a split, just ran on feel. I wanted to go easy and relaxed. I don't think I've ever done a 14 miler and had so much left in the tank, with confidence I could have done 20 easily if I had the time. And not a speck of residual pain or stiffness! It turned out to be an 8:39 avg pace. I've always read that you should do your LR's slower than MP, but I've always tended to push the pace. I took this easy approach leading up to that HM I did 3 weeks ago and got an unexpected PR. I'm a slow learner but I think I may be on to something here.
 
Hi HallyBarb!

OrangeMat · Oct 22, 2010

Pig planks. Neither are my favorite, so I might as well lump them together.
 
There are straight arm planks and forearm planks, so it's not that one is correct and the other isn't. What does matter is your shoulder positioning in both, however. Most people make the chest concave, thinking they're working their arms and core more strongly, but that's really not the correct position for the body as a whole. If your shoulders are hunched toward the forward plane of the body more, that's bad form, regardless of whether the arms are bent or straight. I had to totally relearn how to do a plank position when I started yoga, and I realized I was so weak! Better to do it on your knees with proper form than the full position at the expense of using the wrong muscles to hold yourself up.
 
Pictures are better than words, so here ya go:
improper shoulder positioning <a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/60566/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="pilates-exercise-forearm-plank.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="14584" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/14584/width/200/height/137" style="; width: 200px; height: 137px"></a> vs. proper shoulder positioning <a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/60564/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="Plank.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="14583" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/14583/width/215/height/161" style="; width: 215px; height: 161px"></a>
 
Do you see the difference? In the style of yoga I practice, we talk about the taking the top of the arm bone (i.e. where the arm plugs into the shoulder socket) toward the back plane of the body. While you don't want to have a collapse between the shoulder blades, you do want to have a natural "softening" behind the sternum (the back of the heart space, if you will).
 
Also notice the head position differences. Oh that poor girl on the left, what a neck ache she's going to have! Granted, the one on the right, her upper arms aren't perfectly vertical, but overall her positioning doesn't look as painful as the one on the left. Well, at least to me she doesn't.
 
I ran 4.1 miles in the neighborhood, relatively easy effort and kept a 9:38 average pace even for the hilly parts. Was a bit windy and on the chilly side, so I'm glad I had a Buff as an earband. Had gloves too. It's this in-between weather of upper 40s and overcast that always throws me. I really don't like being cold when I run!
 
Go get 'em Dove!

Tamster · Oct 22, 2010

I do it on my forearms also . . . planks that is.
 
Good Luck Dove! I like your approach to the race. You'll do well! I hope Lab got some rest after that tense-filled close Ducks game last night. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/roll_eyes.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;" title="">
 
for whatever reason, pigs are fascinating to young kids. My grandparents had a working farm and I'd spend my summers with them. Milking cows, collecting eggs, slopping hogs, etc. If there was one place on that farm you'd find me, it was watching the pigs. They are funny creatures to kids I guess.

evanflein · Oct 22, 2010

OM, that first picture looks painful to me but not for the shoulder/neck position. How do you have your elbows on a hardwood floor like that? Ouch... I'd have sore elbows for weeks after that.
 
I never thought much about pigs, but have a GF who loved them. For years I'd give her pig stuff for Christmas and birthdays... calendars, posters, nick-nacks, earrings, pins, mugs, etc. You name it, if it had a pig on it I'd consider it the perfect gift for her. Then a couple years ago she told me "you know, I'm really pretty much over that pig thing..." I was crushed.
 
Nice run, irun. I'm still trying to figure that out myself.
 
Go Dove! How exciting to be doing your first 100 miler! Wow, I can hardly imagine. Have fun with your crew team/pacers. I think someone said yesterday that when the going gets tough, just punch Opie. That oughta work. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif" title="">
 
Taking advantage of DH being gone to move my runs around a bit. I'll do my Saturday 10 miler today after work, and get out early tomorrow for my last 20 miler. Will be nice to get that done and out of the way and have the rest of the weekend to relax a bit.

Better than yesterday · Oct 22, 2010

100 miles. Wow. 
 
I woke up thinking about doing a PBJ Special (R) this morning, and was prety sure I'd hang one this afternoon at lunchtime, until I spoke with one of my co-workers, with whom I often train prior to races, and he suggested it was probably too much volume and intensity for one workout, without much benefit vis-a-vis my 15k race o November 7. Instead, I went 8 miles, yes, but spent 2.25 going very slowly, then 5 miles at just under 8:00/mi pace, then a 3/4 mile cool down. OK, so I got in the 8 miles, but overall time was about 69:00 instead of 60:00. 
 
I guess I'll hold off on the PBJ Special (R) until after my last race of the season on Thanksgiving Day, and if I'm still feeling fresh in early December, before going on a 2-week major cut back, I'll try it.
 
Have a good weekend everyone.
 
PS. Snow in the air when I finished my run today. To quote Bill the Cat, "Ackhck!".

Pink · Oct 22, 2010

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by OrangeMat <a href="/forum/thread/70780/full-moon-friday-0ctober-22#post_1956358"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a> Pig planks. 
Pictures are better than words, so here ya go:
improper shoulder positioning <a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/60566/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="pilates-exercise-forearm-plank.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="14584" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/14584/width/200/height/137" style="; width: 200px; height: 137px"></a> vs. proper shoulder positioning <a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/60564/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="Plank.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="14583" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/14583/width/215/height/161" style="; width: 215px; height: 161px"></a>
 
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 I would not have guessed the left picture was wrong . . . since there is no back arch. Her back looks flatter than the one on the right. I guess I've been trying to hollow out more . . . thinking any arch was bad . . . kind of tuck under the butt, elimnate the arch. Thanks OM.

Hemerocallus · Oct 22, 2010

Thanks for the description, OM..... I'm going to have to check myself in the mirror next week to see if I've got it right. 
 
That's an important learning, Mike. Not that I'm as speedy as you folks, but I find it tempting to push the pace a bit on road LRs. Not so much on the trails, for some reason...perhaps the terrain and the fear of the face-plant keeps me in check. <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;" title="">
 
Nothing today... and headed north for a girls weekend away, so will check back in on Sunday.
 
Good luck to everyone racing!
Have fun at Javelina!!!!

Pie Jones · Oct 22, 2010

have a good "girls weekend" hemerocallus.........I've been following updates from a group of my local running pals as they have a girls weekend doing a relay in Kentucky.....girls just have more fun
 
I do planks as they should be done......blindfolded and one step at a time
 
as my grandfather was prone to say......."pigs is pigs"
 
very nice commute irun
 
I'm going to do a SHORT bike ride this afternoon, just to stretch the legs.....in the morning, my gimpy and out of shape self is going to join some folks for a run in the Smokies....and if I complete it, it will be a minor miracle........at least the fall colors should be nice

JJJessee · Oct 22, 2010

Have fun, Dove and Crew!
 
10.12 w 6x5' @ better than HM and 5' at about M
Felt tired at the end but not wasted.
 
Beautiful day here
I ran shirtless
JJJ

irunmike · Oct 23, 2010

Well Ribs, they pulled it out. In a very impressive way too. Congrats to the Texas Rangers.
 
From a life-long Boston fan.
 
(hey Trip-J! Nice w/o)

ripvanracer · Oct 23, 2010

Good luck Dove!!
 
My uncle is a pig farmer and all the cousins showed pigs at the state fair when they were younger but I never got near a farm. Grandfather on other side raised cows.
 
Parents moved in to the big city (population 3,000) before I was born.
 
I change my schedule to watch Cliff Lee pitch. He is the left handed Greg Maddux right now. Only been to Cleveland one game in the last 3 or 4 years and it was to see Lee win his 20th game that season.
 
Hour on the eliptical this evening. I was a little tired so I set the resistence down a notch. 
 
I never schedule my days off but I decide right before or during the previous days workout and "earn" the following day off by going a little harder during the workout. If I want to be fresh to race, I go easy two days before and take the day before off.
 
Still hobbling on my broken toe but I am getting used to it and it only hurts when I walk. Haven't tried to run on it as I already scratched any thoughts to race this weekend<img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad5.gif" style="width:17px;height:16px;" title="">

evanflein · Oct 23, 2010

{{Rip's toe}} So sorry about that... it seems like a little thing, but a broken toe hurts like a bitch. And not much you can do for it but give it time.
 
10.4 miles today after work, lovely evening and good conditions, kept the pace as easy as I could (kept thinking of channelling my inner irunmike to go easy) and ended up with 8:30 avg pace. Meh, should've been a little slower but it was ok. Still planning on 20 tomorrow, about 14 hours after this run. This is sort of an experiment for me. I've never "crammed" so many miles into a few days as this. I know it's not as many miles as some run on an easy week, but for me anything over 50 is getting up there, and this is the third 50+ mile week in a row. Looking forward to taper... almost there!

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