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<p>Good morning, everybody.  Is everyone sleeping in?  C'mon!  Get up and run!  <span><img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span></p>
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<p>I actually think I'm gonna take the day off today.  I ran 4 straight days, which is enough in the week immediately following a marathon.  I'll run tomorrow.  Dunno how far, I'll see how I feel.</p>
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<p>I wrote up a <a href="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/thread/71684/charlotte-thunder-road-marathon-sat-dec-11-2010#post_1970287">Race Report for Charlotte</a> that includes a ton of pictures (of course).  Let me know what you think...</p>
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<p>Hola Bob.  Will check out your RR in a bit.  I always look forward to your photos!</p>
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<p>5M on the Tm last night.  Bi/Tri work done this AM with core for later. </p>
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<p>Hope everyone has good and safe workouts!</p>
 

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<p>Good Morning <strong>Bob</strong>!</p>
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<p>I'm up, but really tired for some reason so I won't head out for a while.  Today is just a short run, I'm in no hurry.</p>
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<p>I think we should redo the <strong>ROTD</strong>, for sure, the run stuff has been lacking a bit around here.  That might help get us fired up!  If someone wants to type up some questions, I'll even start it out.</p>
 

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<p>Morning all.  I got up very early, but DH had to leave early and I had a ton of laundry to fold so I only had time for 3 miles on the treadmill.  I decided to pick up the pace a bit and had a nice little workout.  Not a tempo, but more of a progressive run.  Started around a 9 minute pace and finished up at a 7 minute pace.</p>
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<p>The forecast here SUCKS.  And the roads are still a disaster.  I was so hoping the snow/ice would melt some so I could have a decent long run this weekend.  Looks like I'll be trekking through slippery half frozen muck.  Bah.</p>
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<p><strong>Bob -</strong> looking forward to your race report, and of course, pics!</p>
 

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<p>Hi all - well, the first legit run report in awhile.  5.3 miles after work yesterday in cloudy conditions.  Calf felt good, though I actually did take 1-minute walk breaks at random times just to be sure I wasn't doing too much too soon.  Even with those breaks, the pace was pretty much where it had been prior to the injury.</p>
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<p>Also passed by twice what seemed to be a photo shoot of some sort along the Embaracadero near the Bay Bridge - several people with cameras, I'm guessing a reflector disc (though it looked like a mobile tv satellite thingy), and some gal dressed up in running gear posing for them.</p>
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<p>Going to have some ART done around lunch; since the calf seems to be okay, I'll keep the work there to a minimum and concentrate it on other achy parts.</p>
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<p>Good runs, workouts or rest days to you all!</p>
 

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<p>Morning all!  I got out for another bridges run (part deux, if you will <span><img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">) and ended up with 7 miles.  </span></p>
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<p><span>I'd like to see the ROTD resurrected as well... will think on what some of the questions might be.  </span></p>
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<p><span>Anyone racing this weekend?   I'll pop into CP for a 15K on Sunday but no racing, just staying warm and in forward motion. </span></p>
 

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<p>Morning Gang - </p>
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<p>Got my LR in this morning since this weekend is filled with holiday stuff.  Longest run since TCM.  16 miles at 9:09, with some hilly stuff in the middle.  </p>
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<p>Any word from <strong>Dan</strong>?</p>
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<p><strong>Jen</strong> - glad the appointment went well yesterday.  Hope the procedure on the 27th fixes things!</p>
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<p><strong>Lora</strong> - how do you feel?</p>
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<p>Good runs to all.</p>
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<p>Oh - and a big yipee for <strong>Nettie</strong> moving to Minneapolis!!!   </p>
 

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<p>Morning!</p>
<p>I'll run in a bit.  The roads/sidewalks are not covered in snow, but the ice patches are just brutal.  Hopefully I can get outside for a run tomorrow in another part of town. <br>
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<p><span>Anyone racing this weekend?   I'll pop into CP for a 15K on Sunday but no racing, just <strong>staying warm and in forward motion. </strong></span></p>
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...The roads/sidewalks are not covered in snow, but the ice patches are just brutal. ...
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Dude. Gus hasn't been for a walk because of all the salt (and not being able to avoid it). The salt is gone, so I'm going to try to take him for a good one this afternoon, but I'm concerned about all the ice. Even when we just walk 2 houses down the boys both go into slip-resistant-stride mode, which is really funny to watch. And they're mostly successful with it.</p>
 

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<p>Thanks, <strong>RFTL</strong>:  I'm hanging in here.  Back at work today.  Less sneezy, no fever.  Still totally constricted in my breathing and a bit achey from all the sneezing.  I'm going to try (again!) for a short run after work.  May end up being a shuffle, but I hope to get some miles in... </p>
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<p><span style="font-size:20px;"><strong>DAN</strong>!  What's the scoop?  Part 2??? </span></p>
 

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<p>nice work getting out there once again.</p>
<p><strong>jen</strong>, procedure?  i'll have to check out the blog i guess.</p>
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<p>sorry to be a drama-dude...not my intent.  i had to talk myself off of the cliff.</p>
<p>actually, i had to sober up a bit - i worked through the entire pitcher of margarita the other night and that made for an interesting dentist appointment the next morning.</p>
<p>so, the origin of the stuff that was floating all around my knee was the layer of cartilage from under my kneecap - the articular cartilage.  i have a condral defect, a hole in this layer of cartilage and it's a grade 4 no less (all the way down to the bone) and it's big.  based on the photos i saw, it looked about the size of a quarter to a half dollar (tough for me to tell).  that means i am operating on a donut of cartilage under my kneecap.  anytime i run up or down, or run in general, and my knee is loaded (flexes the quad, strains the patellar region) it will put force on the now non-lubricated area of my knee (bone) or more stress on the cartilage donut i have left along the outer ring under my kneecap.  the other side of the joint still looks okay so the bone exposed by the defect hasn't started to erode that cartilage <span style="text-decoration:underline;">yet</span>.  the pictures looked like a small stick of dynamite went off in the cartilage - the blowout looks crazy.  so the doc smoothed out the edges reducing the likelihood of it catching and easily tearing.  fear not, this type of injury isn't caused by running typically but from a blunt trauma of some sort - so keep doing what you're doing, just make sure your form is good! <span style="font-size:9px;">(anyone who says running isn't good for you is FOS!  and i have had some of those jackasses saying that to me lately)</span>  i have been wracking my brain trying to think of what sort of contusion i suffered that may have caused the damage and only came up with one about 12-14 years ago (baseball related).</p>
<p>i'm just starting to do my reading on potential treatments, fixes, etc but the thing i have working against me is time.  i'm old.  i know i don't want to live the rest of my life in fear that i can't do something because it will worsen my condition and accelerate the osteoarthritis that is bound to happen.  i also will not, actually more aptly put, can not stop being athletic.</p>
<p>but, some things may force my hand and running may not be an option.  time will tell.</p>
<p>so for now, i work on my flexibility and reducing the swelling in my knee.  it's still pretty stiff an full of swell and there is no running at least for another 4 weeks.  i'm probably not going to run in the near future just because i'm fearful of shredding other things in there further reducing any possiblity that some biological treatment can be considered.</p>
<p>once the swelling goes down, i can still run on it if i choose but that just doesn't strike me as a very wise thing to do until all viable options for repair are vetted.</p>
<p>the doc did say that i'm very lucky (and he stressed 'very') that no further damage was done.  everything else in my knee is in excellent shape.  i don't feel very lucky but i'll be thankful for that anyway. </p>
<p>the lesson to be learned here?  i attribute the <em>lucky</em> part to really focusing on my running form, transitioning to a forefoot running style, losing some weight and trying to keep other stuff strong (despite having some back issues, etc).</p>
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<p>what's bugging me the most is the potential for losing the convenience (and effectiveness) of running.  it travels well.  as much tech garbage as we runners don and tote around, it's still a convenient and minimalist activity.</p>
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<p>yeah, i'm pretty pissed, frustrated, bummed out, confused and scared as hell - i'm not sure which emotion is dominant.  no need for sympathy, i'm suffering the fate i have dealt to myself.  <span style="font-size:8px;">gropes are always welcome though.<span><img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span></span></p>
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<p>well, that's about as open as i have ever been on a public forum.  time to clam up again...</p>
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<p>cheers</p>
 

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<p>Hmm. That wasn't quite as satisfying as they usually feel.   <span><img alt="icon_scratch.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_scratch.gif"></span></p>
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<p><span>Along those same lines... I went to the doc for a checkup on Wednesday for GI issues, but I also complained about my general creakiness in my hips, shoulders, etc.  The day after the blood test they called me and asked me to fill and Rx for 50,000 units of Vit D IMMEDIATELY.  1x per week for a couple of months, then 1K per day thereafter.   Should be interesting to talk to him and see what my number was to generate a response like that. If it solves my creakiness and my general slothfulness I'll be extremely happy.</span></p>
 

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<p>Kris can also reply to this, but yes.  It really should make a difference.  I can't believe how much better I have felt in the last year after beginning vit. D supplementation.  (my number was 26)<br>
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<p>Hmm. That wasn't quite as satisfying as they usually feel.   <span><img alt="icon_scratch.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/icon_scratch.gif"></span></p>
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<p><span>Along those same lines... I went to the doc for a checkup on Wednesday for GI issues, but I also complained about my general creakiness in my hips, shoulders, etc.  The day after the blood test they called me and asked me to fill and Rx for 50,000 units of Vit D IMMEDIATELY.  1x per week for a couple of months, then 1K per day thereafter.   Should be interesting to talk to him and see what my number was to generate a response like that. If it solves my creakiness and my general slothfulness I'll be extremely happy.</span></p>
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<p>Is testing for Vitamin D fairly new?  I don't recall hearing about it at all until the last few years, and now it seems quite common.   And that a lot of people are being treated too.  I'm creaky, maybe I need to be tested. <span><img alt="diablo_ani_fire.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/diablo_ani_fire.gif"></span></p>
 

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<p>OH, and I just finished a nice little run outside.  3.4 miles dodging the icey sidewalks. </p>
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<p><strong>Dan</strong> - explore your options, but realize that chondral defects happen to young and active people, and they continue to be active.  Don't give in to the despair of the diagnosis.</p>
 

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<p>Ugh, sorry <strong>Dan</strong> <span><img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;"></span> - that bites!</p>
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<p>Wow, <strong>Duck</strong>   I've also been feeling more creaky of late despite not get out there and doing much at all fitness-wise, and haven't been out in the sun as much (lot of overcast days here as well the past few weeks.)  I've also been kinda' bad at taking my Vit D supplement of late (which I did actually more for the Calcium than the Vit D) as well...</p>
 
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