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<p>This has been a crazy week here.</p>
 

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<p>The army was supposedly ramping-up its suicide prevention/counselling services due to a service wide increase in suicides.  Has this taken hold in Killeen, yet?</p>
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<p>You have to suspect that the suicide rate for military personnel will be high simply due to the nature of the job. I wonder if it is any higher now or that news gathering and "freedom of information" is more prevalent.</p>
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<p>Come back from a stressful war zone and find your house is worth half what it was when you left, job prospects suck, and your wife has a new boyfriend and you add present traumatic stress syndrome to post traumatic stress syndrome.</p>
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<p>BTW how does the military suicide rate compare to the civilian rate?</p>
 

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It was initiated here. We attend an unbelievable amount of training and briefings. There's counseling available and chaplains are on duty 24/7.</p>
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Ok, this is not religion based, as I would say the same if it was Imans, rabbi's or whatever, but Chaplin's vs trained personnel? That's my question, or is it someone is better than no one and they can deal with it well? </p>
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It was initiated here. We attend an unbelievable amount of training and briefings. There's counseling available and chaplains are on duty 24/7.</p>
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 I'm not sure I understand - Are you saying the chaplins aren't trained in this type of counseling?  It's not like you sign up to be a cook and they make you a chaplin. They are ordained ministers in varying faiths and - though I don't know about the  specifics - I'm pretty sure the military invests as much money in training chaplins for their duties as they do other specialties - and, say what you want about the military - they do have some of the best training available anywhere.</p>
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Ok, this is not religion based, as I would say the same if it was Imans, rabbi's or whatever, but Chaplin's vs trained personnel? That's my question, or is it someone is better than no one and they can deal with it well? </p>
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<p>Well damn dude, where did it say someone is better than no one or there are no rabbis here?</p>
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<p>There is counseling available and there are chaplains on duty 24/7. That means both counselors and chaplains, who are highly trained professionals who deal with suicide, war, relationships, financial issues among other things. Also psychiatrists and psychologists and any other type of professional help that you could imagine.<br>
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<p>I actually wrote a press release about some of our chaplains training our leadership on suicide prevention and response about two or three weeks ago.</p>
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Ok, this is not religion based, as I would say the same if it was Imans, rabbi's or whatever, but Chaplin's vs trained personnel? That's my question, or is it someone is better than no one and they can deal with it well? </p>
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<p>There are a few changes I would make in the way things are that I think would help.</p>
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<p>Seven month deployments. The Marines do it, we should too. Yeah, they have less time in between deployments, but the difference between 7 months and 12 months away from home is huge.</p>
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<p>(Holy crap, just a second ago they dropped a huge bomb about a quarter mile from here. Shook my whole hooch. There's a second one, damn. I'm kind of living across the street from the Kandahar offensive.)</p>
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<p>Anyway the 12 month deployment is probably the biggest factor in broken marriages, depression, disassociation from friends and family, etc...</p>
<p>We are in the eighth month of our deployment and everyone here is dragging ass. Motivation is high the first few months, then it gets old. Now we are past it getting old and it just sucks, and there are still four months to go. Friends and family lose enthusiasm too, I don't blame them, but it's hard for the deployed soldier. I've heard the Army is considering changing to 7 or 8 month deployments, I hope they do.</p>
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<p>As a senior NCO I consider it one of my main jobs here to keep my soldiers distracted, besides keeping them motivated and accomplishing the mission. I have 200 water balloons in my footlocker. I'm going to stage a surprise water balloon fight, but there's not enough water to waste on it yet. Soon though, and I will take pictures... <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/lol.gif" style="width:15px;height:15px;" title=""></p>
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<p>Another thing that sucks is that being military is to be isolated. We are out of the mainstream. People care, people support us, I have never felt so appreciated as I have the last 10 years and it's wonderful. But it doesn't change the fact that when I walk through a restaurant or the airport in uniform, people stare at me like I'm a bug. There probably is no way to change this. We are not going to expand the military or reinstate the draft (and I wouldn't want to,) so it's just the way it is.</p>
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<p>But the real effect of the military being so small a portion of the population is that almost all of us feel misunderstood. I could type for an hour and post 20 pictures and I could never make you understand what this place is like. And I'm not even a grunt out there hoping my next step isn't on a bomb. But four people were killed on my FOB a couple weeks ago by a mortar, so it's just random. And this goes back to where we are in this deployment. Right now all we have is each other. My platoon is tight, we take care of each other, and we'll get through this in good shape I think, as long as everyone makes it home. Some units aren't so tight, and the kids in those units suffer. I don't have an answer for this one but I think my next point would be a good start.</p>
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<p>I'd like to see just one goddamn movie or tv show where the hero is a GI. A regular guy who did a job. Or even, God forbid, an actual movie about a heroic act in the war, without the apologies and without the judgements. After all, the guys who died earning Medals of Honor didn't start the war.</p>
<p>Maybe it's a dumb thing to want, I don't know. But can you understand how disheartening it is that every representation of a military person in the movies or on tv in the last ten years is a victim, a fool or a bad guy? (The "fantasy soldiers," like GI Joe, don't count.)</p>
<p>There was one show where the good guy was a veteran, and I was hopeful, but it turned out he was, of course, "disillusioned by his service and haunted by the memories of what he had to do," blah, blah, blah. Shit.</p>
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<p>Everywhere we turn when we get home we get a mixed message. "We're proud of you, you poor, poor thing."  How's that got to make the 22 year-old, just got back from Iraq, feel? He's not watching the "Salute to America's Veteran's" special on July 4th and Veteran's Day on PBS. He's going to see hollywood movies at the mall. And everytime a GI is on screen, it's a beat-down for him. "What you did was wrong." "What America did to you was wrong." These are the messages he gets bombarded with, from MTV to hollywood to comedy central.</p>
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<p>When the GI's got back from WWII, every one of them was John Wayne, or Audie Murphy, or Jimmy Stewart. A lot of them probably couldn't watch those movies for a long time after the war, if ever, and I'm sure some vets of the current wars would feel the same way. But I can't believe it didn't feel good to know that people were going to see movies portraying you as a hero. I know for a fact it sucks to know that people are watching movies that make me look like a victim or a fool.</p>
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<p>I've babbled on far too long on this. It's late, I'm tired. But I feel pretty strongly about this, so you got it dumped on you. Sorry.</p>
 

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<p>When the GI's got back from WWII, every one of them was John Wayne, or Audie Murphy, or Jimmy Stewart. A lot of them probably couldn't watch those movies for a long time after the war, if ever, and I'm sure some vets of the current wars would feel the same way. But I can't believe it didn't feel good to know that people were going to see movies portraying you as a hero. I know for a fact it sucks to know that people are watching movies that make me look like a victim or a fool.</p>
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<p>I've babbled on far too long on this. It's late, I'm tired. But I feel pretty strongly about this, so you got it dumped on you. Sorry.</p>
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Firstly, don't ever apologize for babbling. It was good to read your thoughts.</p>
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<p>You are right about not being able to comprehend what goes through a soldier's mind during and after deployment. One of my teachers where I was Principal last year had his son come in to meet me shortly after getting home from Afghanistan and out of the Canadian Army. In his last week one day he stopped walking to turn around and speak to another soldier when the guy in front of him stepped on a bomb. It was beyond terrifying for me to hear him describe it quietly and without fanfare or even much emotion. That moment will be with him forever.</p>
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<p>The 7 month deployment sounds like it needs to be done, sooner rather than later.</p>
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<p>As for John Wayne and Audie Murphy...I can feel where you come from, but for the most part the world is a different place. As a kid I knew every German was a Kraut and a Nazi and every Jap wanted to slit my throat in my sleep. They all needed to be killed immediately before they raped our women and ate our children. We're a whole lot more complicated than that now. However I do think it would be possible to make a movie that was positive without being ridiculous, and one where every soldier doesn't seem to return full of guilt and angst. Apparently movie makers don't agree.</p>
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<p>Be safe man</p>
 

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<p>Caff that was an outstanding post.  Having combat hardened Marines as sons has given me an entirely new perspective on the hardships our military personnel experience.  They both experienced the sheer panic of sniper's bullets whistling by their head, the gut wrenching grief of losing good friends to either bullets, IED's and in one case a vehicular accident.  The conditions these young men and women live and fight in are beyond comprehension for most of us.   The 7 month deployment for Army is a good idea - I hope it comes to fruition.</p>
 
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